Stella. Get my (soldering) gun.
Just kidding. Soldering guns are unweildy. I’ll take the 5 iron.
This is coming but I uhh already wasted a lot of money this year need to buy more used tb cards. Generally if you don’t mind not having hotplug you don’t really even need the header.
Generally.
Also I need some used or dead musician kit to support this use case better so I get how it is supposed to work…
Anything specific? I may have something depending on what you want…
What I need is a mentor to explain what common tb devices there are and what the users needs are. And a broken but working good enough thunderbolt whatever I can use for testing
The Ultrastudio Mini recorder is Thunderbolt 2 and is readily available and is very commonly used:
This is a new listing, but you’ll likely find used ones of this:
like this one:
What’s quite nice in the field is that with Corning’s optical Thunderbolt cables you can have complete galvanic separation between the system and the Thunderbolt device reducing a possible source for interferences.
Corning’s optical USB 3.0 cable by contrast connects host system and USB device via ground and a 5 V line that powers the transceiver (optical->electrical) on the device side.
Not having hotplug wouldn’t be nice - sometimes device x acts a little weird and after a reconnect/power cycle of the external device everything’s fine and having to reboot the entire system then would be annoying.
So the ASRock boards with the port on the back are titan ridge or no?
I haven’t laid my hands on the ASRock X570 boards that have TB3 already onboard - but @wendell should have (except the Aqua).
He definitely did with the ITX board.
I’ve got a GC-Titan Ridge enumerating a Radeon 7750 via an Akitio Node on the X570 Aorus Master with nothing more than the “jumper mod”. Hot plugging untested, likely will not work and not expecting that it will anytime soon unless that header is actually live…
IOMMU groups for those interested, ACS+AER cap enabled, Bios F11
IOMMU Group 0:
00:01.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
IOMMU Group 1:
00:01.2 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse GPP Bridge [1022:1483]
IOMMU Group 10:
00:08.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
IOMMU Group 11:
00:08.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to bus[E:B] [1022:1484]
IOMMU Group 12:
00:08.2 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to bus[E:B] [1022:1484]
IOMMU Group 13:
00:08.3 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to bus[E:B] [1022:1484]
IOMMU Group 14:
00:14.0 SMBus [0c05]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SMBus Controller [1022:790b] (rev 61)
00:14.3 ISA bridge [0601]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH LPC Bridge [1022:790e] (rev 51)
IOMMU Group 15:
00:18.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 0 [1022:1440]
00:18.1 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 1 [1022:1441]
00:18.2 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 2 [1022:1442]
00:18.3 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 3 [1022:1443]
00:18.4 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 4 [1022:1444]
00:18.5 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 5 [1022:1445]
00:18.6 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 6 [1022:1446]
00:18.7 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 7 [1022:1447]
IOMMU Group 16:
01:00.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57ad]
IOMMU Group 17:
02:02.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a3]
IOMMU Group 18:
02:03.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a3]
IOMMU Group 19:
02:04.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a3]
IOMMU Group 2:
00:02.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
IOMMU Group 20:
02:05.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a3]
IOMMU Group 21:
02:06.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a3]
IOMMU Group 22:
02:08.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a4]
35:00.0 Non-Essential Instrumentation [1300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Reserved SPP [1022:1485]
35:00.1 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse USB 3.0 Host Controller [1022:149c]
35:00.3 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse USB 3.0 Host Controller [1022:149c]
IOMMU Group 23:
02:09.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a4]
36:00.0 SATA controller [0106]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [1022:7901] (rev 51)
IOMMU Group 24:
02:0a.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a4]
37:00.0 SATA controller [0106]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [1022:7901] (rev 51)
IOMMU Group 25:
03:00.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge [Titan Ridge 4C 2018] [8086:15ea] (rev 06)
IOMMU Group 26:
04:00.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge [Titan Ridge 4C 2018] [8086:15ea] (rev 06)
IOMMU Group 27:
04:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge [Titan Ridge 4C 2018] [8086:15ea] (rev 06)
IOMMU Group 28:
04:02.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge [Titan Ridge 4C 2018] [8086:15ea] (rev 06)
IOMMU Group 29:
04:04.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge [Titan Ridge 4C 2018] [8086:15ea] (rev 06)
IOMMU Group 3:
00:03.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
IOMMU Group 30:
05:00.0 System peripheral [0880]: Intel Corporation JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 NHI [Titan Ridge 4C 2018] [8086:15eb] (rev 06)
IOMMU Group 31:
06:00.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation DSL6340 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge [Alpine Ridge 2C 2015] [8086:1576]
IOMMU Group 32:
07:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation DSL6340 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge [Alpine Ridge 2C 2015] [8086:1576]
08:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde PRO [Radeon HD 7750/8740 / R7 250E] [1002:683f]
08:00.1 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland/Hainan/Cape Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7000 Series] [1002:aab0]
IOMMU Group 33:
1b:00.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 USB Controller [Titan Ridge 4C 2018] [8086:15ec] (rev 06)
IOMMU Group 34:
31:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 [8086:2723] (rev 1a)
IOMMU Group 35:
32:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation I211 Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1539] (rev 03)
IOMMU Group 36:
33:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8125 2.5GbE Controller [10ec:8125] (rev 01)
IOMMU Group 37:
34:00.0 USB controller [0c03]: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720202 USB 3.0 Host Controller [1912:0015] (rev 02)
IOMMU Group 38:
38:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590] [1002:67df] (rev c7)
38:00.1 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere HDMI Audio [Radeon RX 470/480 / 570/580/590] [1002:aaf0]
IOMMU Group 39:
39:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GP104 [GeForce GTX 1080] [10de:1b80] (rev a1)
39:00.1 Audio device [0403]: NVIDIA Corporation GP104 High Definition Audio Controller [10de:10f0] (rev a1)
IOMMU Group 4:
00:03.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse GPP Bridge [1022:1483]
IOMMU Group 40:
3a:00.0 Non-Essential Instrumentation [1300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Function [1022:148a]
IOMMU Group 41:
3b:00.0 Non-Essential Instrumentation [1300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Reserved SPP [1022:1485]
IOMMU Group 42:
3b:00.1 Encryption controller [1080]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Cryptographic Coprocessor PSPCPP [1022:1486]
IOMMU Group 43:
3b:00.3 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse USB 3.0 Host Controller [1022:149c]
IOMMU Group 44:
3b:00.4 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse HD Audio Controller [1022:1487]
IOMMU Group 45:
3c:00.0 SATA controller [0106]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [1022:7901] (rev 51)
IOMMU Group 46:
3d:00.0 SATA controller [0106]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [1022:7901] (rev 51)
IOMMU Group 5:
00:03.2 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse GPP Bridge [1022:1483]
IOMMU Group 6:
00:04.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
IOMMU Group 7:
00:05.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
IOMMU Group 8:
00:07.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
IOMMU Group 9:
00:07.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to bus[E:B] [1022:1484]
And the 7750 is negotiated at Gen3 x4
08:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde PRO [Radeon HD 7750/8740 / R7 250E] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. [MSI] Device 2794
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+
Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 156
Region 0: Memory at b0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
Region 2: Memory at ee200000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256K]
Region 4: I/O ports at d000 [size=256]
Expansion ROM at ee240000 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: [48] Vendor Specific Information: Len=08 <?>
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold-)
Status: D0 NoSoftRst- PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
Capabilities: [58] Express (v2) Legacy Endpoint, MSI 00
DevCap: MaxPayload 256 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s <4us, L1 unlimited
ExtTag+ AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE+ FLReset-
DevCtl: CorrErr- NonFatalErr- FatalErr- UnsupReq-
RlxdOrd+ ExtTag+ PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop+
MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes
DevSta: CorrErr+ NonFatalErr- FatalErr- UnsupReq+ AuxPwr- TransPend-
LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 8GT/s, Width x16, ASPM L0s L1, Exit Latency L0s <64ns, L1 <1us
ClockPM- Surprise- LLActRep- BwNot- ASPMOptComp+
LnkCtl: ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes Disabled- CommClk+
ExtSynch- ClockPM- AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt-
LnkSta: Speed 8GT/s (ok), Width x4 (downgraded)
TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ DLActive- BWMgmt- ABWMgmt-
DevCap2: Completion Timeout: Not Supported, TimeoutDis-, LTR-, OBFF Not Supported
AtomicOpsCap: 32bit- 64bit- 128bitCAS-
DevCtl2: Completion Timeout: 50us to 50ms, TimeoutDis-, LTR-, OBFF Disabled
AtomicOpsCtl: ReqEn-
LnkCtl2: Target Link Speed: 8GT/s, EnterCompliance- SpeedDis-
Transmit Margin: Normal Operating Range, EnterModifiedCompliance- ComplianceSOS-
Compliance De-emphasis: -6dB
LnkSta2: Current De-emphasis Level: -3.5dB, EqualizationComplete+, EqualizationPhase1+
EqualizationPhase2+, EqualizationPhase3+, LinkEqualizationRequest-
Capabilities: [a0] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
Address: 00000000fee00000 Data: 0000
Capabilities: [100 v1] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1 Len=010 <?>
Capabilities: [150 v2] Advanced Error Reporting
UESta: DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
UEMsk: DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
UESvrt: DLP+ SDES+ TLP- FCP+ CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF+ MalfTLP+ ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
CESta: RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- AdvNonFatalErr+
CEMsk: RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- AdvNonFatalErr+
AERCap: First Error Pointer: 00, ECRCGenCap+ ECRCGenEn- ECRCChkCap+ ECRCChkEn-
MultHdrRecCap- MultHdrRecEn- TLPPfxPres- HdrLogCap-
HeaderLog: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
Capabilities: [270 v1] Secondary PCI Express <?>
Kernel driver in use: radeon
Kernel modules: radeon, amdgpuNice. But did you have to do extra setup to load the firmware into the controller and were there any BIOS settings to manage the controller?
will thunderbolt work without the header?
I have an alpine ridge controller card, but my current motherboard has no header.
Well, the jumper mod is basically shorting some pins without connecting it to a header, so all you need is the header cable and some cutters and wire.
which pins do you short?
No firmware loading required (I thought that was only for Alpine Ridge?), was quite literally plug and play. Didn’t have to change anything in the Bios but I did notice this setting. This was present in the Bios before installation of the card since at least F10.
Another thing is that I can’t see any option in bios to set the Thunderbolt security level. Tumbleweed / Kernel 5.4.2 is reporting user security mode
# cat /sys/bus/thunderbolt/devices/domain0/security
user
But that doesn’t explain how the 7750 instantly worked, last time I played with this was on an Intel based Thunderbolt 2 setup. I had to setup a udev rule to allow access to endpoints at boot but that was back in the 4.12 days, maybe it’s automatic for certain device classes now.
EDIT: I had the Bolt service installed which manages security levels and device authentication, the Akitio node seemingly on a whitelist so it was instantly attached.
So no BIOS options for security and etc… This is what a X299 Hackintosh guide recommended:
TBT Root por Selector PCIE16_3 (Prime X299 Deluxe) / PCIE16_2 (WS X299 Sage 10G)
Thunderbolt USB Support Disabled
Thunderbolt Boot Support Disabled
Wake From Thunderbolt(TM Devices) Off
Thunderbolt(TM) PCIe Cache-line Size 128
GPIO3 Force Pwr On
Wait time in ms after applying Force Pwr 200
Skip PCI OptionRom Enabled
Security Level SL0-No Security
Reserve mem per phy slot 32
Reserve P mem per phy slot 32
Reserve IO per phy slot 20
Delay before SX Exit 300
GPIO Filter Enabled
Enable CLK REQ Disabled
Enable ASPM Disabled
Enable LTR Disabled
Extra Bus Reserved 65
Reserved Memory 386
Memory Alignment 26
Reserved PMemory 960
PMemory Alignment 28
Reserved I/O 0
Alpine Ridge XHCI WA Disabled
And without a full BIOS control of the controller, it apparently doesn’t work in macOS. It’s also unclear if Titan Ridge needs to be “blessed”.
Here’s the guide: https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/imac-pro-x299-live-the-future-now-with-macos-10-14-mojave-successful-build-extended-guide.255082/
I think the source was this thread Threadripper 32 core with thunderbolt 3, but this is what I used
It looks as if Gigabyte are adding official GC-Titan Ridge support to a number of X570 boards based on recent website changes, though with a new motherboard revision.
Can’t find any announcements, manuals or Bios files yet but the specifications for a number of boards and the GC-Titan Ridge itself have been updated.
Wonder what else V1.1 boards will have?
I’m receiving a GB X570 Master mobo sometimes today here in Australia. The boards have been on back order for some time here. I’m hoping that it is the 1.1 revision that the does support the TR. I will post back as soon as I find out.
Bad news for me. It is a version 1.0. No TB connector, just the pin pads. I guess they are still clearing out older version ATM.
Hi all. I sent a message to Gigabyte regarding the version 1.1 mobo and if it has TB3.
They replied:
Hi jb007,
Yes version 1.1 will support Thunderbolt 3 and it will be released and be available in Australia around March.
Regards,
GIGABYTE
So too late for me, I will continue with my ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming X which has TB3 support, and works fine.
I guess that they are trying to exhaust existing stocks of v1.0 boards first.
