Was Win10 as terrible as I remember in early 2017?

Reinstalled Windows? Yikes. All you had to do was go into settings and enable the microphone.

Stupid? Yes. But Windows didn’t break it, they just disabled it.

I think I googled it when I had to fix mine. Ill look at the info I can find and see if I can condense it into a wiki post.

Do you really think I didn’t try that? It was already enabled, but people on other end of the phone call could not hear me.
I tried all the settings there are but nothing worked.
Tried plugging in 3 different head-sets. Mic still not working. (But they worked on different W10 PCs that didn’t have the 18.03 update)
Tired plugging them in different USB ports. Mic still not working.
Tried installing new audio drivers. Mic still not working.
Tried re-installing head-set firmware. Mic still not working.
Tried system restore. Mic still not working. (Thought this would definitely fix it.)
Tired updating the BIOS. Mic still not working.
Tried clearing the CMOS. Mic still not working.
Re-installed windows. Mic finally working.

@Token I wasted 4 hours in the morning just to get a fucking microphone to work. Customers were chasing me and I couldn’t help them until I finished rebuilding my machine. Obviously microsoft don’t give a shit, we are their guinea pigs at this point. In the past Windows updates would fail to install at worst. And you had to wait for new one to arrive but something like this I have never seen before. At least I got paid for those 4 hours but I will never run W10 at home. I don’t understand how people tolerate this.

I think its easy on this forum to forget the ‘average’ user usecase, or be able to ‘walk a mile’ in their shoes. IMO for a lot of people PC/Laptop=Windows or Apple. For a lot of people there is no other smartphone than Apple as well.

Hell I’m a self proclaimed techie, work in tech, come to this forum yet I’ve still had many a rage filled moment when trying to get Linux to do something, or flash my phone to a new ROM that fixes issues.

But for people like those on this forum, yeah I’m surprised how many use Windows sometimes. For most I think its a reputation that “it just works”, it pretty much has for me- for others its for gaming, and in my case a few programs that just run in Windows. My angry moments with Windows is that I hold them to a very high standard- they are supposed to be in the “it just works” and “custimizable” (read here: update when I want it to) camp, so when they fall short of this I get peeved, but I’m holding them to a higher standard than I do Linux.

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I like it
I can game on it, I can bleeppost on it and I can overclock on it.
If I wanted reliability and ease-of-use I would buy a console :slight_smile:

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That worked for me

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Yeah, very common issue, the privacy settings for UWP apps now cover win32 as well. When he reinstalled Windows it went back to the default, which allows microphone usage.

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Given most games these days are console ports, its looking more and more attractive to just get a damn console…

For all intents and purposes, undocumented change without user consent or notification is “breakage” (end result: disruption of work for end user, same as a broken computer).

Microsoft need to stop with the cavalier shit and inform users what they’re doing to their PCs.*

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  • no, a change log buried on some website somewhere doesn’t count. these are eventually mandatory (and automatic) updates Microsoft is pushing out. You can’t just break people’s shit like that. If it was an OS upgrade the user initiated as an optional upgrade - fair enough. But these Windows 10 updates are not that. They’re mandatory eventually, not optional.
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I agree, that specific change confused the hell out of a lot of people. Which does make it really easy to google, admittedly.

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Hi Chris,

I had some stability issues as I was previously using the insider builds, now I’m just back on the mainstream update cycle.

In my opinion if your main concern is stability you probably want to go with the LTSB.

“Enterprise LTSB is a long-term support version of Windows 10 Enterprise released every 2 to 3 years. They are supported with security updates for 10 years after their release, and intentionally receive no feature updates. Some features, including the Windows Store and bundled apps, are not included in this edition.”

The good thing about this is you at least know once you’ve tested on your machine that there won’t be any feature updates that break apps etc.

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Be aware with LTSB:

We’ve just had a bunch of new machines come in at work (literally this week - HP Elitebook Gen5 for the curious) that list build 1703 as the minimum supported version. They blue-screen attempting to install previous versions.

LTSB is currently only released up to 1607.

So if (like us), you’re pushing LTSB, you’re boned on some new hardware (i’m guessing any Coffee Lake machine - as these are just integrated GPU laptops - no exotic non-intel hardware in them to speak of).

So, even if you have an enterprise agreement to legally get LTSB, if your hardware is new enough you’re still shit out of luck.

Thanks microsoft!

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When i have used it for two months, i think that Windows 10 is good and no bug.
I can’t describe the feeling of the using. i just will say it’s great.

Just Microsoft? I don’t know a single OS that does this.

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As a certain shouty dev puts it “Do not break Userspace”

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The funniest part about all the love for windows 7 I see is that I had absolutely horrible issues with Win 7 on my home hardware, it never worked w/o BSOD every week or so and would loose devices all over the place. Half the time when I booted it wouldn’t find my boot SSD. I upgraded to Win 10, and everything was smooth no problems and I have probably had one maybe two BSOD’s in the 3 years since I installed it. One of those was my own fault I was writing a device driver and messed up the low level code and wrote to the wrong memory and trashed the OS stack.

Really I have had more problems with Windows 7 over the years than Windows 10.

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Same. After using 10 for any sane time period I don’t know how anyone can go back to 7 and view it as anything but archaic and broken. I have a couple of buddies that ran from 10 back to 7 because reasons. Now though, they’re on the bandwagon.

WSL + Visual Studio Code + PowerShell openSSH has really been killing it for folks at my current gig. You can set VS Code to use WSL and run everything natively from the editor.

node, clang++, php, go, etc.

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Windows 10 is great just use the LTSB/embedded version… oh wait.

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It’s nice to be surrounding by non-users around these parts, I wish I could be one of them but the software I use isn’t on Linux, it’s barely on iOS!

Wow though, I now feel quite lucky. Thanks for everyones comments, good or bad. Do excuse me, just going to do another precautionary disk image :thinking:

Wow, I didn’t even know it was a thing - thanks for the headsup!

Very good to know :+1:

There are an awful lot of variables I guess. For me, I stuck to Win7 because it was reliable for my hardware, and played nicely with my software too. Strangely I had the opposite experience to you, where I used Win10 and it was not reliable enough in a business environment (one man band). I kept using Win7 for another year until recently I tried it and it was much better (be it in a different machine).

My main issue with Windows 10 is the unthrottled disk I/O. You won’t notice it so much with a fast NVMe SSD but if you’re on spinning rust, you will notice it even without ever opening Resource Monitor.

I installed the latest Windows 10 (1803) inside virt-manager yesterday. The voice-assisted installation process was a pleasant surprise. I gave it 4GB RAM and it installed just fine. With 8GB of system memory, it is a tight fit but it is possible.

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