Please show it for us skeptics over the performance loss. I’m researching it and I can’t find a set of really good data on it.
Definitely my primary reasoning lol
I couldn’t find any either, I just noticed the huge drop when I went from a HeatKiller block to an EK monoblock on my 2700x rig (now a 3700x). But like I said, there may have been more than one factor at play. I sure won’t be tearing down the loop on my backup PC to prove it though. 
I’m sticking with the sucky monoblock just for looks, LOL!
Yeah the Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Master is indeed a very nice board.
The entry level TRX40 boards like the Aorus pro isn’t bad either doe.
But yeah the rear io is a bit basic in that regards.
I mean for this platform i would like to have at least a 10G nic.
I believe that the Asrock Creator has that doe in terms of entry level boards.
Only downside it being just an 8 phase board.
But it has an active cooled vrm heatsink.
So i suppose that it will perform fine enough for current sku´s.
The only thing i´m really curious about is Gigabyte bios this time around.
I´m still considering a Gigabyte board for my new setup. 
Many people complain about Asus bioses allot lately.
So yeah i might actually get away from Asus for my next setup.
I also heared good things about Msi and Asrock bios.
Although the Asrock bios could still use some polish.
You’re picking up some English slang You’ve been spending too much time around us Americans… 
I honestly think that we should move towards more USB C but that’s not happening yet. I love the robustness of the connector and it’s reversibility.
I mean true eight phases is enough to handle the kind of power that threadripper would do stock plus 5-10%
Yes but I would prefer it to be an intel nic and not a aquatia nic. It’s hard to find Intel stuff on an AMD board.
I’m going to guess much like x370 x570 it’s probably very solid. they have gotten things nailed and yes they’re still not the prettiest but they know what to do in terms of useful features.
it’s strange quality control issues and I think it’s because they’re on top of the market they felt like they could lazy out in this regard. however I think it’s wrong because now ASRock and all the other manufacturers are going to try to start taking them over in terms of EFI quality
For the time beeing, 8 USB ports should be minimum on enthusiast boards (>250€/$).
To get USB C adopted more widely, each computer/notebook would need to have two of those ports, and USB-drives would need to have Type-C more often.
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The Msi TRX40 Pro 10G might actually be an interesting package.
Because that seems to be one of the cheaper boards,
that comes with a 10G nic pci-e addin card.
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How’s it’s power delivery 
Lol it’s prolly a good board
Not too bad, just mediocre.
6 phases doubled to 12 with 90A ISL99390 powerstages same as Asrock Creator and Taichi is using.
But how are they doubled? There’s a bad way and a decent way.
Idk I still can’t trust MSI after the shenanigans a while back but maybe they are getting better. My default go to is ASRock or gigabyte now. I haven’t received DOA from them yet
Well isl6617 doublers, some of the best in the business.
I suppose but given the power threadripper needs id be more comfortable with the ASRock trx40 Creator over those two but it doesn’t have all the fancy features I suppose.
Well actually according to Asrock’s website.
The Creator comes with a 10G Aquantia nic and a 2.5G Realtek.
Not too bad but i kinda prefer intel 1G nic over the realtek instead.
But yeah that is likely just me.
Aquantia is a good company to get 10GBE from. I met their former chief technical officer the other day at an IEEE event. Very chill very cool dude. Actually totally off topic but he is currently investigating the feasibility of higher speed underwater acoustic communication channels. The research was fascinating.
In any case the company makes good products I’d do Aquantia any for 10 GBE. I wish they would make standalone NICs. Actually I should look that up
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The Msi TRX40-pro 10G comes with dual intel i211AT’s nic’s,
and an additional 10G Nic pci-e addin card.
Me likey.
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Yeah i’m actually kinda curious about how good those Aquantia nic’s perform.
Not sure if something like that would be an interesting item for a video.
Testing different network solutions of those said boards.
@wendell (not sure if he sees the @)
I think that would be a great video idea if you have the capability. Side by side compare them doing different tasks etc. How much system shared memory can they steal. Lol
Is the CPU temp sensitive? (For ryzen that’s a big YES!)
If you add a heat source, VRM, to the loop, by monoblock, and keep the rest the same ->
You are going to get higher water temps.
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We are talking 3-5 degrees from what I understand so from an engineering perspective that should not do jack
And furthermore from another engineering perspective thermodynamically a cooling loop sufficiently designed shouldn’t have a thermal raise in temperature if you got enough radiator btu capacity you should be able to get rid of the extra heat. Not to mention stabilizing the power delivery from a stable vrm temperature standpoint since their performance while it tolerates 0C to 125 C it’s still temp dependent
So do you get less thermal headroom on your CPU yes if you don’t design the system with ample enough BTU capacity but say you got 4-6 480x60 mm rads then maybe you could dissipate enough heat haha in a desk case for example lol. Then it might not effect performance at all or improve it especially when it comes to medium length tasks that would have the system suffer from heat soak. Just spit balling
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Has anyone seen this review? The ASRock TRX40 Creator is getting better VRM temps than the Aorus TRX40 Master. And the ASRock only has 8 phases versus the 16 on the Aorus.
I’m very curious to see what you all think, I’m not very good at analyzing VRM performance, and I’d really like the ASRock since it’s first PCI slot starts higher than all the other boards. It’s critical to fitting my components in my case with having a bottom radiator.
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I will check out the video later.
However the Asrock Creator of course has an actively cooled vrm.
So that will definitely help some.