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The Linux Kernel Adopts A Code of Conduct


#355

yea but apparently that’s not inclusive enough.


#356

Relevant to this discussion: Linus had a conversation with the BBC
(here’s a TL;DR, see the other thread for a link to the full article)


#357

hmmmm…
i wonder where 4 MONTHS of her tweets go…?

Coraline Ada Ehmke
-Creator of the Contributor Covenant [CoC]


#358

somebody somewhere still has those.


#359

I just looked at her twitter… shit is still there.


#360

I suppose in time they may get deleted.


#361

I forgot what site it was, but it let you view past twitter account tweets, even if deleted.


#362

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-CoC-Changes-Inbound

My initial human reaction of nuke them from orbit it’s the only way to be sure. Its tempered now. I realise the world is run by idiots and they need many things. If the CoC is sane and SJW want to read the kernel dev email list that you can’t delete like twitter to curate a media idiot shit fest.

So be it. I need linux to succeed. There is nothing else like it.


#363

Why don’t they just remove it if they’re going to introduce sweeping changes to it…


#364

Looks like they removed most of it’s teeth, so that’s good, at least, but the patches have ironically not addressed my primary concern about vague terms.


#365

Got a few likes, but the author of the Covenant has yet to respond


#366

You forget that the author isn’t actually interested in fostering a welcoming atmosphere.


#367

As a final note in this discussion I do believe that this is how you do this right:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2018-10/msg00001.html

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html

For me the way GNU is trying to solve the issue of behavior is much more effective and much more meaningful in the long term.


#368

I can’t agree more. I’m extremely satisfied with the Kind Communication Guidelines.

If I ever find myself in need of a community guideline, I’m gonna use that. Maybe just add a clause of “if you feel you have been wronged, contact leadership here”


#369

The GNU Project encourages contributions from anyone who wishes to advance the development of the GNU system, regardless of gender, race, religion, cultural background, and any other demographic characteristics, as well as personal political views.

Footnote
There are various ways to express gender neutrality in third-person singular pronouns in English. One method, used by many, is singular use of “they.” Another method is described in https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html. (Using “he or she” fails to respect gender identities other than male and female.)

:thinking:


#370

Nah, you get assigned a number and everyone has to call you by that.


#371

Yeah, the footnote is weird, but we all knew how Stallman thinks on that front.


#372

But there is nothing wrong with these statements on their own. Just because some people are more aggressive than they should in trying to support it does not make these values wrong by default every-time they are mentioned. Every good guideline must include similar statements.

The same way it must also include this:

Please assume other participants are posting in good faith, even if you disagree with what they say. When people present code or text as their own work, please accept it as their work. Please do not criticize people for wrongs that you only speculate they may have done; stick to what they actually say and actually do.