So i am in bit of pickle at the moment, i have been looking at getting a SP3 EPYC 7532 CPU with a lot of ram, 256GB total.
What this server will be doing is the following:
NAS (Unraid)
Modded Minecraft Server.
I mostly play modded minecraft and have done so for years. Where i am stuck is that cpu. As descript earlier in the post is that CPU good enough for this?
I have been looking at the EPYC 74F3 as well but those are by far not cheap.
budget i got is around 3000 euros total. i am open to buy on ebay as well.
NAS:
OS: Unraid
Size: 110 TB total (12x12TB HDDās)
Minecraft:
OS: Unraid (via crafty template in the unraid store)
Modpack: ATM10 / FTB Ocean 2
note: minecraft has thing with single core, but correct me if iām wrong.
I welcome any help. This is my first minecraft modded server. My lack of server cpu knowledge doesnāt help either.
A desktop system (AM5 or even AM4) seems like a much better fit for this, at first glance, given the CPU and RAM requirements for Minecraft servers. What are your reasons for aiming for an Epyc system?
Prices on ebay seems decent, it also looked interesting.
Iām a networking person first and formost. This is a bit of deeper water for me to be honest.
i have looked at AM5 and AM4, only concern is the ram amount. I heard that ZFS requires a lot of ram? correct me if iām wrong.
also just habbits of buying ECC ram when its a nas box.
I can split my nas and game server into two servers but i must more perfer one server for it all.
Consider the AMD EPYC 4004 series CPU. These run on (selected) AM5 mainboards and are priced much more friendly for your budget.
Also, does the stated budget include the 12 HDDās you mentioned? And do you really need more then 100TB of storage? Moreover, your minecraft server would benefit strongly from NVMe storage and I doubt youād fill a 1TB NVMe SSD (but if you do, thereās 2TB models available for under 150ā¬) and Iād suggest getting a PCIe x16 to 4x M.2 NVMe adapter from Aliexpress (10-50ā¬) and 4x 1TB M.2 NVMe SSDās, then use these in a RAID6. This gives your minecraft server data some redundancy. Do realise more HDDās means more heat => means more fans => means more noise. Less HDDās with higher capacity is a viable alternative.
Which case are you planning to use? Big tower, disk shelf or rack mount? Again, noise is a factor here.
In my experience ZFS does not require a huge amount of RAM. If you have it, ZFS will use it for read cache (ARC), but if not things will still work fine (unless you really need to have your data in RAM for performance reasons).
I prefer ECC RAM too on my NAS. Many Ryzen CPUs (and the PRO APUs) and motherboards do support (unbuffered/UDIMM) ECC RAM. Itās a bit of a shitshow though since AMD does not allow it to be āvalidatedā as functioning on Ryzen systems. Iāve had real issues confirming working ECC on my MB for instance. (See this thread and several others like it.)
@Dutch_Master
The budget doesnāt include HDDās. I have a lot of blu-ray and 4K blu-ray movies i plan on ripping. Plus the other stuff i have. The sizer is due to a good deal i can get on 12TBās drives. the drives are 70% of the retail price. due to where i live prices tend to higher some stuff and lower on other. getting 4TB drives cost the more then 12TB drives. Mind you both are Seagate IronWolf Pro drivce. it comes to down to price honestly. I was looking at getting 16TB drives until i saw the price. those are insanely expensive.
When it comes to case i am planning on using a jonsbo N5 case. There is not a big selection of cases available.
I will be using some nvme drives. i just need to find some that is decent enough. Just my current world backup folder in ATM10 is 536 MB at the moment. Thatās after just 3 days of playing. It grows quickly i must say. I will take the advice of NVMe drive with me and see what i can get of prices.
My major concern is mostly just tick rate speed. Isnāt a 4004 series Epyc just a 7000 series ryzen cpu with some extra features turned on? i saw a wendell video that said it was. I migth be wrong, correct me if iām wrong. I will be honest here, servers are something new to me for home use of this kind. bear with me lack of knowledge here.
@homeserver78
I have seen the shitshown AMD has made of this. I got lost in what was supportet and what was not. so the ram part, i donāt need a lot of for ZFS at least not if i use a pcie to nvme drive thing as @Dutch_Master mentioned. Which i just might do just to keep my ATM10 world running smooth and then transfer the backup over to the HDD part of the system for longer storage time if need be. Finding ECC here is ticky. most stores does sell them to consumers at all. You need a CVR number (company registering number). I will have a look around and see what i can find. Most my MC modded instances on my pc gets 32GB of ram alone as java is what is. Ideally 48GB per server would be perfered for endgame stuff but thatās just because of javaās weird behavior with ram. I will have a look at that threat as well and read though it.
Not even that. A 4004ās a 7000 with, per AMDās list of reasons to buy 4004, the option to enable TSME if youāre a server OEM. So the value propositionās pretty much just paying more for knowing the IHS says something different under the cooler.
In similar discussions itās been suggested a 4004 might get more of a support response on some issues but so far I havenāt encountered any evidence of that occurring.
If you donāt need DED I wouldnāt worry about EC4. This also doesnāt seem like a use case where EC8ās required.
DED and EC4 / EC8 ?
explain, i havenāt heard those before.
I migth just go with a 7000 series cpu, they are far better priced then 4004 series are.
I can get a 7950X for a great price. Just need a motherboard that support it with some good storage options as well.
One would hope so, seeing as you canāt get DDR5 without ODEC2. Whether EC4 or EC8ās a useful addition depends on the admin requirements, a good question to ask is how youād validate, monitor, and respond to SECDED log activity.
The 3600 doesnāt support ECC. Remember to check also for motherboard support.
Its just for a home server honestly, i guess that ODEC2 would be fine?
All the server is gonna be doing is storing files and if i can use it as a game server as well i would like to do so.
So to make it clear.
DDR5 with its on-die would be fine for my needs as i just plan on using it as home nas with a Crafty (modded MC) manager to make it easier. I was thinking about getting a 7950X, mostly for the single-core speed i need. Then add a ton of ram, around 4x32 GB DDR5 sticks as far i can see the max i run is 128 GB total.
From what i can also find it says that the 4584PX supports at max 192 GB. Which i can get here. 2X96GB is not uncommon here.
Honest question as i feel like iām going mad and insane now. Would a 7950X be a fine options for a home nas / game server? it will be running unRAID.
Or would a 4004 be a better option with 2x96GB ram sticks?
So far i have found one board from Asrock Rack and one from gigabyte
Asrock Rack: B650D4U
Gigabyte: MC13
both seems fine and is something i can get hold of here. If you know of any other board let me know.
Both cpus cost nearly the same here.
its just gonna be for home use and will be running 24/7. Ofcourse if it throws an error i will check logs to see what is going but iām hopping it will just work and keep working.
A clear and honest answer would be perfered if possible.
P.S sorry for the long reply, this is new to me.
Not happening. Itās important to pay attention to UDIMM and RDIMM differences. Also AMDās specs are weird as AM5 mobos all support 256 GB and thereās a thread here confirming 4x64 on Granite Ridge, which is the same IO die as Raphael.
Probably itād be a good exercise to table out bandwidth and latency tradeoffs in UDIMM configs. Arrow Lakeās maybe worth considering for CUDIMM support and lower idle power.
I will have a look at those to see if i can even get them here. I have never seen a MSI server before.
How well does those workstation board deal with 24/7 on time?
I know my lenovo workstation at work runs fine 24/7 so same story?
Hmm i might need to do some more research here. I find it odd that 4004 series is having so much hype around it from people and from OEMās when its such an odd cpu.
I might just stick with two servers if this gets to complicated. I can just add a 25GBx2 link card between them and call it aday. If you have any recommend, feel free to come with them.
Might be, ideal power is not a major concern for me. I pay next to nothing for power. Its only when wind power is low that the prices go up, which is rare. Thatās beside the point.
I will have a look around and talk with some vendors and see what they can provide. Finding workstations and server boards here is hard. Most of them are either not sold or have a 3-6 months waiting time.
So the NAS will be running standard ECC, as far as i can read its a good idea and gives piece of mind. Might also be a learning experiance in how to work with it. I just need to figure out if i want the server to be a all-in-one server so using a ryzen 7950x with a lot of ram seems out of the question. Might just go with two servers. the NAS doesnāt need much ram but the MC server surely does need a lot of ram.
This is so confusing to me honestly. Is two systems better then one? one that is focused on NAS and the other that is focused on just CPU power with ram for a good solid MC server / game server with some fast NVME drives in it.
If anyone as any recommendations or wanna correct me on something feel free to do so, iām here to learn as well!
4004 is the official covering of the butt in the corporate space. If something goes wrong, it gives you the official, āit wasnāt me, I was promised this worksā by AMD stamping Epyc on a Ryzen. Part of AMDās All Of The Things domination of Intel. Yeah, he is 1000% correct on the RAM, you wonāt get that much.
Personally I prefer to have my NAS and Firewall on their own boxes and then the remaining machines on the big VM host. I donāt want anything exciting happening on the NAS gear. I like it to stay boring and predictable with nothing to suddenly increase temps or encounter a disastrous bug from having a virtualized NAS, etcā¦ So nothing wrong with having 2 servers. They keep each other company when youāre not home too. It works out well. Or is that cats?
B850 and X870E are desktop boards (workstation would be TRX50, WRX90, or similar), but yes. Though often homelab kit can sleep 16+ hours a day.
Depends on the workloads and how you want to do the admin. ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Generally where thereās a clear cut case for build splitting is sharding workloads into 2-3 9950X instead of one 7960X or whatever. File servingās usually close to a free action but at low utilization Iād tend to push it off to a small box NAS for the lower footprint and simplicity in keeping the drives mostly spun down. With 12x12 a Meshify 2 may make more sense than two six or eight bays.
Iām gonna split the nas into its own server, Gonna find something low power that is fast enough for that job.
THe game server will be its own device. I can just add a a NVMe pcie device and make a job that transfers the a copy of the backup over to the nas every 30 ish mins doing my peak use aka when iām home and every 1 hour outside of that time frame.
I have been looking at the Asrock steelseries and the Pro RS series they make. it should support everything i need.
FOr the nas i will see what i can find there. maybe a cheap 7500 or a 5000 series cpu, whatever is cheapest. The nas box only need 32 GB of ram at most.
Whether EC4 or EC8ās a useful addition depends on the admin requirements, a good question to ask is how youād validate, monitor, and respond to SECDED log activity.