makes sense
guess i need to get signed up on the wiki to make changes.
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Got the notification, immediately sent to trashâŚ
Like, greeeeaaaat⌠but better not have it in the first placeâŚ
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What is the alternative to Proton? I switched to them for email a few years ago to get away from Google. All of the other major email providers donât look great either.
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I saw that, and was dissapoint
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I still donât see anything wrong with Proton. It would be stupid to not offer some kind of AI, the normies/non-tech people eat that shit up. The mail, vpn, cloud drive, and word processor are all good products.
Alternatives would be Tuta, Fastmail, Zoho, Yandex, or Kolab
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these two are the ones Iâve heard most of.
even set up a tuta, but never really used it, and they expire dormant accounts
I dunno, I don;t see the service add, simply a cash cow
but, if they make money from it, then good for them?
I would take their word, that the chats are private tho, where I don;t believe that to be true with any other AI
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I would take some disagreement posted on a social media platform with a grain of salt. But what worries me more is the viability of their business model.
How many people are willing to pay for email these days? And is that enough to sustain a state of the art secure service long-term?
I do like what theyâre doing, but unfortunately Iâm not as confident as Iâd like to be in their long-term viability.
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I am happy with their fremium model being sustainable.
lower per-user storage space, means not loads of space used like normal free emails, which data-mine the contents of the emails
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Right, but normies/non-tech people are absolutely not their target market.
Proton carved out a niche, and itâs really hard to pivot
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Their marketing director might not understand that
AND money attracts more money ANd corruption. To big for your britches and already business people and bloated management departments⌠And hheeyyy whata ya know!?.. a fully enshitified corporation
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If youâre data is confidential when interacting with their agent, and if it provides useful features (add appointments to calendar, etc.) is it so bad? Havenât looked at it much. Models and providers donât have to collect your data and prompts, so if done properly, it seems like a decent alternative to Gmail and Gemini as long as they continue to adhere to their principals. If notâŚ
thats a BIG âifâ since so far itâs not too hard to jail break AI
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If itâs not on a system you physically own and administrate then it will always be some degree of âSUSâ.
There is no cloud, just other peopleâs computers.
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i donât use proton for that level of privacy but, see the top comment you can pay cash like mullvad so have separate opsec proper accounts.
My own take on this;
(ie perspective of a normie that reads when he has to, but is in no way a software geek/privacy loon)
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We can blame a good number of parties for sending mixed signals; âtheyâre spying on you! Yes, you! And your unborn baby, that one too!â, âthe Chinese are out to get youâ, âthe NSA is out to get youâ, etc. etc. You folks here may not see it so(?), but for a good number of people, this worked in the opposite way one would have expected it to, ie it convinced them this is all hyperbole. Read: theyâd have read up on it more/would have had different, more realistic expectations from such services; had they not been convinced this is all utter horseshit.
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We can blame a good number of people for going crazy on piracy/torrents (i do too mind), but then âcomplainingâ because ther five eyes countries gave them grief. If you want to steal intellectual property (again, i do too, a LOT in fact [even have reasons for doing it]), i dare say thatâs on you. But more to the point here, this is not privacy. This is you being a smart ass, knowingly thieving and wanting to get away with it. No one should sell you an out of jail card.
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And yes, we can blame a good number of seriously shitty people that took advantage of the internet to do some seriously shitty, horrible stuff. In turn forcing agencies the world over to pry harder.
But for the average Joe?
Is it really that bad if Proton does protect your privacy but simultaneously does not provide you an out of jail card?
I say no, in fact thatâs perfectly fine. The Swiss have laws too.
If we hear that Proton secretly sold âanonymisedâ data to banks or corporations, then, yes, we should complain. Until then, i see them maintaining a good balance. Just me of course.
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no itâs the crayon eaters
That is quite the generalization. As long as they are using end-to-end encryption, they are not really accessing the information so they canât give much besides your name and payment details (which the government already knows btw)
They might also get IP addresses, access times, locations and potentially machine identifiers/browser fingerprints too, depending in how one accesses the system
Nothing untowards, but data points that authorities can compel
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