If you had the possibility to revert from Win 11, would you?

Yes, I would.

However, ONLY if it was going to be supported long-term, which is just not going to happen. Like I’m pretty confident in my abilities to avoid viruses these days. But eventually there will be some kind of exploit that makes it more unsafe to use, and if there’s no updates, that vulnerability will always exist.

Right now W10 EOL is October 2025, so I feel like it’s close enough there’s no reason for me to wipe my computer and reinstall W10. Might as well just go Linux.

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The only Trusty solution is a firewall. I’m not even sure that today’s malware runs without it. If you don’t execute rm -rf --no-preserve-root /, I doubt that something will. And an exploit is basically a we found an open port running in your system, and were able to push something there.

But if there’s no port, it’s like farting against a brick wall - 10 for the effort, 12 for the enthusiasm, 0 for result.

I remember an ancient virus, which a friend IMd me in the early 2010s, asking for help. Now that was a masterpiece. It wrote itself somewhere in the hdd, not even sure if it was a file even.

But reinstalling windows did not get it. All AV software was basically butchered the moment we started it - it did not run, nor did it find anything(I think we even tried livecd).

But the most glorious part about that true work of art and engineering was the fact, that WHEN we finally squized in a working AV, and it started detecting and killing, that second the system was spammed with tenth of instances of calculator, paint and all other windows executables… and they held a copy of the virus in memory, writing it back with the speed of AV killing it.

Dude was forced to format absolutely everything he had connected to that pc.

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Too bad that it is still too inaccessible for normal users and companies to switch over :expressionless:

I love Win11 with its embedded ads and ever increasing telemetry and copilot and desktop recording stuff to the cloud… fantastic. I’m going to just start handing out my bank details to people on the street, this is so cool.

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Well it´s their product and if somebody does not like the direction they are heading with it,
than simply don´t use it right?

It won´t get any better really.

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For me this reason is quite simple - the product owner did a really good job of making sure the competition in the face of linux would always be behind(Im speaking of driver-software page of companies like Corsair).

you can always buy alternatives that work off the mobo’s PWM signals…

no software needed. wild concept, i know.

thing is - this is like buying a working/home chair, in which you sit every day. Although there is a variety of choices, it most likely comes down to “the One”.

Also I have tried going Linux for home PC (working is running Fedora). Here’s a quote from my earlier post in regards to a similar suggestion

The problem with going Linux is that you need to do research and plan out what you want. At least when compared to Windows…
And I would love to go Linux at work, but I can’t due to the software I need to use there. (Never mind the whole AD mess.)

I love where Linux is currently with how much easier it is to run and use. But it is still far from accessible for “normies” like my mum or my co-workers (from other departments).
Unless it becomes something at the level of “you can just get at the electronics store in the mall”, it isn’t a viable option for those people.

I feel like we’re heading more and more into overlap territory with this thread :sweat_smile:

Did plan. Even made a topic here with asking people how to better do this and that, making the theoretical sound good. Then came the practical. Practical unlocked problems with things I didn’t account for, and problems with the solutions, which I grasped from the theoretical (I found an alternative app for iCue, which supported my keyboard, BUT it did not support the mouse… as an example).

Nah, I wouldn’t worry too much. Somewhere in the beginning I suggested to change the topic name to “Old boomers grumping”.

Also there is already an “unsubcribe” like this fine anonymous message

Moved to ignore for consistently non-constructive behavior

(Although it may be referred to me and my non-constructive behavior, but meh).

I had this thought the other day, and came to a conclusion that the only real “barrier”, that doesn’t let “regular mental social people”

not use today’s Linux is… MS Office (and no, alternatives don’t work as well… or at least format the document differently). And maybe the where exe?! dilemma (although I would think that having a Store/Software package app is much friendlier to a regular user in comparison to finding installer… wtf is an installer… do I need x64… and so on).

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For what it’s worth, back when I was on windows I didn’t care for the post-xp ui at all.

I could manage win 7 but I avoided 8+ like the plague.

What made the windows UI awesome for me was Winstep

It’s like a full DE for windows.

Hope this helps those of you stuck using windows

I never really liked 3rd party UI add-ons, they somehow just managed to look a little bit off, which makes it really goofy.

I shifted the start button back left and just learned to deal with the visual changes from Win 10 > Win 11.

I discovered Special-K auto-hdr system and am using it in Win10 now. Even get better performance then Win11. Probably due to all the extra crap MS is throwing in it for advertising and AI etc…

Come mid-2025 we’ll probably need to decide to go Linux or kiss MS butt as they will be killing Win10.

After M$'s recent announcements I am bypassing all windows as soon as 10 is EOL and going flat Linux only.
:slight_smile:

Whats windows 11?

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Why aren’t more people using the LTSC versions of Windows 10? They have support into 2029/2032 if not further.
Microsoft has consistently put out an “unpopular” OS every other release for the past 20-30 years, and it has never abandoned updating the prior “good” release until there is a successor release; I don’t understand why there is so much consternation every time they do this knowing the pattern.

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Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 has mainstream support until Jan 12, 2027. That means you will get updates until that date. Extended support is 5 years longer, until Jan 13, 2032, but you will not get the updates automatically after mainstream support ends (exceptions may apply in specific circumstances); instead, you’ll have to fork over serious cash to MS for that.

See Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 - Microsoft Lifecycle | Microsoft Learn for basic lifecycle info.

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Funny thing about security updates?

If you create a small Linux virtual machine on Windows, you can use that to browse the net safely with little to no issues at all.

Looking at the other poster’s link, it has:

What are the requirements for servicing and updating the Windows 10 Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC)?

The Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC) is designed to be used only for specialized devices - for example, those that control medical equipment or automated teller machines (ATMs).

What method does one have to install ltsc?

And if pro costs $200 or whatever for a license (officially/legally)
Would ltsc be tied to an enterprise account?
Would it even be in the same installer, or some random ISO?

Or, simply install pro, and buy a stolen/greymarket key?

Thinking end user device here, not a business, so no business/server licensing, and no particular worries about stolen key, as no business affect to being caught

More people aren’t using the LTSC versions of Windows 10 because they have no idea it even exists.

And many of the people who do know are switching to Linux, especially as gaming experience improves.

LTSC is so much better though. No garbage like Candy Crush on the Start Menu by default is just one small example.