Can I quietly cool a 14900k in a 2U case?

Well hello! It has been a while since I have been here, but now that I have a large chunk of my life back, I am back to making questionable hardware decisions.

I have a 14900K lying around that I haven’t done anything with in some time. I picked up a board that supports DDR4 and 64GB of RAM, so I am buying a case and a cooler to get it ready to go. This PC will replace everything I have running on my mini PCs. I will be running everything in Docker containers, probably on Ubuntu LTS unless I can find a better option, ideally with a GUI. But that is not the point of this post! I want to put it in a 2u case since I want to have this take up the same footprint as the 4 mini PCs I will be upgrading from. I am not space-limited, so if I need to go 4U, I can, but I would like to be inside of a 2U case if possible. The server rack it will be in is right next to my desk, so I am looking for quiet. Services that will run on it will be things like Komga, Audiobookshelf, a couple of Minecraft servers, Home Assistant, Obsidian, Immich, and a handful of other services that I am blanking on or may add in the future.

With all of this in mind, what are my options? Thank you all in advance!

This isn’t 1-to-1 applicable because there’s no XE02 for the little Intel sockets yet, but the fan recommendations are solid:

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It is not a server socket orientation board. Is that going to be an issue? Am I going to need to find one of those?

Nope.

Unless you lower the power limits to 14900T values or sth similar.

2U doesn’t have the height for proper tower coolers. So if you want to cool anything with more than ~100-125W, you need a Dynatron with 6k RPM+ or watercooling. Dynatron is many good things, but quiet isn’t one of them.

Also needs proper airflow from front to the back. CPU cooler needs cool intake too.

I have 2U cases with Ryzen 7900 and Noctua L9x65 that fit into the 2U. Together with the 80mm fan row blasting at the heat sink, it’s fine on temps, although high load eventually converges to high 80Cs. And that’s with a 65W TDP CPU.

For a performance option, there is only Dynatron. My servers are built for low power and low noise.

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That is really good to know. I was unaware of the 100-125w TDP for quiet cooling. Very helpful info that I will take into consideration for future builds. I appreciate it!

It’s possible that could be an issue, but generally LGA1700/1851/1954 have more versatile mounting than AM5 so the chances of you being able to rotate the cooler 90 degrees without having to modify it are high.

You best bet under what is currently available is probably something like a white label 2u vapor chamber cooler with the 9RA fan swap:

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I’m using the 13900K with a hypervisor, and I’ve disabled boost on the CPU to lower power consumption and temperature.

Not allowing the CPU to boost does lower the performance, but as long as I pin the more demanding VMs on the p-cores it has been fine.

I have been wanting to play with Proxmox for a long time, but I never find a reason to pick it over Docker. Can you tell me what are some of the things that you are using a hypervisor for?

I’m using Qubes OS which is based on the Xen hypervisor, it’s basically 20 Linux VMs running different everyday applications.

If you allow the CPU to boost it’s going to boost, when I disabled boost the power consumption dropped 100W, and at base clock speed the CPU is still fast.

Your question intrigued me. Personally I have plans to use some Sliger.com 3U chassis with Noctua air cooling. Sliger do make 2U cases as well, but none are listed as having AIO compatibility. So YMMV with regards to fiiting a radiator in one.
I don’t think I personally would want to go less then 3U for high performance CPU’s unless I were to go with a noisy solution. However it did make me think. What about water cooling. A google search of 2U radiators did reveal a few options. But none from vendors I recognise. Maybe something to consider. I’d love to hear what you decide to do in end.

Start by undervolting the processor. Intel 12/13/14th gen processors have a lot of headroom for under-volting, you’ll lower power consumption (and therefore heat) while maintaining, or even increasing performance at the same power limits, and increasing the longevity of your processor.

As we don’t seem to be interested in over-clocking, then we are looking at a standard PL2 limit of 253W. You’ll probably be able to reduce that by 70-100W by undervolting. It is a lot easier to cool around 170W than 253W. There is more you can do after if you want to limit the power further, but you will lose some performance, although this can be minimal depending on how far you go.

Basic summery of method I use (numbers below to Intel processors with a standard maximum PL2 of 253W such as the I9-14900K):

  1. Make sure you for adequate cooling for 253W while setting the below.
  2. IMPORTANT - Make sure you have the latest BIOS installed for your motherboard, so you don’t fry your processor (the motherboard overvolting issue with older BIOS revisions).
  3. BIOS - For testing undervolt / maximum performance, set PL1 and PL2 to 253W
  4. BIOS - Disable - Intel Speed Step Technology (It is just going to get in the way and cause issues).
  5. BIOS - If you have an MSI motherboard your life is easy as you can just keep reducing the mode (1 being the lowest voltage) of CPU Lite-Load incrementally until you find the minimum mode you can run at. If you don’t have an MSI motherboard you’re going to have to manually adjust the AC Loadline (AC_LL) and DC Loadline (DC_LL) values… I’d strongly suggest you read/watch a tutorial on this if doing it that way and understand what you are changing.
  6. If on an MSI motherboard using the Lite-Load method and you hit mode 1, you can sometimes go even further by setting a further static negative 50-100mv offset on top of that.
  7. Torture test after each change to check for stability with things such as AIDA64, OCCT, Cinebench etc and monitor for CPU power and temps.
  8. You should now have a processor that is nowhere near to hitting the PL1/2 limits of 253W we set at maximum all core frequency. If you only want limited boost performance you can set PL1 to 125W. Basically you can decide how much power you want to draw all the time with PL1 and how much you to boost to for up to 28secs with PL2. Lets say you’re now hitting a maximum PL2 limit of 170W, you can benchmark and wind it down to a level you’re happy with, or set PL1 & PL2 the same value to have a hard ceiling on power draw.

Hope that helped and wasn’t too complicated to understand and its a bit of effort but it is reduced energy consumption, greatly increased efficiency and reduced heat.

1-2U form factor were made for datacenters after all. You CAN make these servers quiet, but you really need to keep an eye on the temperature hotspots. Which is mainly the CPU, but could be a GPU as well. Or Chipset/on-board NIC or whatever
The less space you have, the less volume and the fewer options for cooling you get. Means you need to cool the same hotspots with lower volume of air inside the case (ambient temp) and active cooling is limited by height by a big margin.

You can do all that “easily” when ignoring noise, because that 12k RPM middle fan row is plenty to cool the CPU on a passive heatsink. Wind pressure and speed is just like sandblasting cool air over everything.

Without our beloved 12k RPM and 3A leaf blower Delta fans, there are limited options or compromises have to be made.

3U and 4U allow for a lot more traditional and aftermarket DIY cooling options. The more U you got, the more options you have for cooling and silent operations.

If we assume “quiet” server requirement, there is a fixed amount of performance/heat you can get for every rack unit. 1U quiet server has some serious power limitations, but as soon as you move to 2U (80mm fans) or 3U (120mm fans), things are more manageable on higher power outputs. And with 4U, a lot of aftermarket “gaming coolers” can be fit within height limitations.

Radiators in 19" are wierd. Even if they fit at the front…you wanna blast warm/hot air from front to back? My NIC, chipset and maybe even the VRMs certainly wouldn’t appreciate the ambient case temperature. And rear-mounted radiators? there just isn’t enough space for them and basically no case is built for that (rear IO+PSU+PCIe brackets).
And you can only do front radiator if you don’t have any hotswap SSD/HDD bays, so isn’t really feasible for a mainly storage-focused server.

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2U becomes really tricky with CPU’s with desktop levels of power. Here is what I did with my Ryzen 9 5950x. It’s not a 14900k, but it might give you an understanding of the problems you’ll tun into, and might give you some ideas to help solve them.

So, I recently put a 16C/32T Ryzen 9 5950x installed in an Asrock Rack x570-D4U in an old Supermicro CSE826 2U case, and I struggled.

The way these shipped from the factory, you are supposed to lay a plastic shroud down over the motherboard that focuses the airflow from the right two high RPM loud Nidec UltraFlo fans that are installed in the center fan wall over the passive heatsink.

This does work, but it is anything from quiet. Those Nidec UltraFlo fans can wake the dead.

So I decided to be creative. I bought a few Arctic p80 Max. The “Max” being the operative word here. The regular p80’s or something that is quieter like Noctuas will never work here.

Then I modded the fan carriers to fit the fans to the center wall (the Nidec Ultraflo fans are 38mm thick, but the Arctic P80 Max fans are 25mm thick, sealing around them with HVAC Foil tape to make sure that the air doesn’t leak back around the center wall, and instead gets a linear one way flow as intended.

I even found a weird sized 70mm fan in my parts bin which was just large enough to fit well in the rear of the case and exhaust some air out of the half height PCIe slots to help keep my HBA cool.

The server this replaced was a 4C/4T Rocket Lake Xeon E-2314. It was much lower power than the Ryzen, and as such was able to get away with a ID Cooling IS-55 cooler.

I didn’t want to use the shroud + fanwall + passive heatsink approach to cooling this one, as that was going to be loud. I also didn’t want to buy a little Dynatron or Supermicro active 2U heatsink, as those tend to use small heatsinks and little 60mm fans at incredibly high RPM’s and they are unpleasantly loud. So I wanted to try to use this IS-55 desktop cooler I already had instead.

The IS-55 is great for its size, actually surprisingly so, but it is a small cooler. I searched high and low for other coolers that would fit in a 2U case, but the others were either more compact and worse, or too tall to fit with a fan attached. It was going to have to be the IS-55.

I knew this heatsink was never going to keep up with the Ryzen as it was. I wanted to put a higher airflow fan on it, but all the best ones are 25mm thick, and then the top of the fan winds up being so close to the lid that it starves it for air, so you need a slim 120mm fan.

The highest performance 15mm thick 120mm fan I could find was the Silverstone AirSlimmer 120, so I bought one of those.

The next problem was that when installed on the Asrock Rack x570-D4U the ID Cooling IS55 wound up being oriented the wrong way. The airflow in the 2U case is front to back, but its find were oriented side to side.

So I wound up fabricating my own mounting brackets for the thing so I could rotate it 90 degrees so it would line up with the air flow. Most of the air flow cooling the CPU was going to come from the Airslimmer fan on top of the heatsink, but I didn’t just want to have the broad side of the heatsink blocking air, so I figured rotating it was the right thing to do.

This took several tries, but eventually I converted the Intel brackets the unit came with into 90degree rotated AMD brackets, by drilling some holes, and using some metal epoxy to secure some screws in place.

After a lot of trial and error, I eventually got it to the point where the custom mounting brackets were resulting in a good flush mount.

This still was not enough.

Idle and low load speeds were fine, but even with the Air Slimmer at 100% speed on top of the heatsink the slightest amount of load would would send the CPU quickly shooting up to 70C.

It was completely usable, but it was alarming to see even light loads shoot that high that fast, and have it sit thermal throttling against the max temp.

At first I thought my custom mount was bad, and spent a lot of time troubleshooting that but pasting it, and mounting it, and then taking it off again, showed evidence of a perfect mount.

I also installed a Honeywell PTM phase change sheet instead of thermal paste, and this did shave a few degrees off, but it didn’t significantly change the situation.

The interesting part is that high all core loads were actually quite reasonable, but normal bursty low threaded loads would cause it to peak like crazy.

I found and set ECO TDP mode in the BIOS which limits it to 65W, and this - again - helped a little, but not enough to make me happy.

Then I remembered something. These Ryzen CPU’s aggressively increase voltage to and boost clock speed to their best cores in lightly threaded loads. I wonder if it is just the boost behavior that is messing me up?

And that is exactly what it was. I used the linux command line program “cpupower” to limit the turbo clocks to 4Ghz, and instantly the problem went away. All core loads were still no problem, and lightly threaded loads also no longer caused the temps to spike like crazy.

Then I started walking it up. I found that I could set the max turbo clock to 4500Mhz and still have it stay at a civilized temperature.

After I found the sweet spot, I created a systemd service file to start the limiter on every boot.

Now I’m able to slow down the fan wall to the point where the case temps are decent, and volume levels are much more reasonable.

Here we are during pretty average load: (the type of load that would have been low threaded and spiking like crazy before)

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
Tctl:         +53.4°C  
Tccd1:        +52.8°C  
Tccd2:        +43.2°C  

nvme-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
Composite:    +41.9°C  

nvme-pci-2300
Adapter: PCI adapter
Composite:    +38.9°C

Those two NVMe drives look like they are running hot, but never mind them. They are Optanes, and Optanes by their very nature run hot.

It’s still not the quietest system I’ve ever had. No 2U system is ever going to be. These are not the kinds of cases you use for something that you work within earshot of, but at least it no longer sounds like a Jumbojet preparing for takeoff.

I have used three different 2U cases since I have been home labbing.

The first was an old HP DL180 G6 I nicknamed the Dreamliner, because it literally sounded like a jumbojet preparing for takeoff. I had it in my basement at the time, and I could hear it two stories up in my bedroom with all doors closed in between. I tried modding this thing but was never successful, and eventually abandoned it.

The second was the case the previous Xeon E-2314 was running in, a cheap iStarUSA D-214-MATX I got on Newegg. This one was reasonable, because the little quad core Xeon didn’t produce much heat. I ran it with Noctua 80mm fans with no problem.

And now there is this Supermicro case.

In general the wisdom is that unless you use fancy (and risky) 80mm water cooling radiators, a 2U case can be quiet with a low power CPU, and you can get creative and tame higher powered CPU’s to run more quietly in them, but they are never going to be as quiet as a desktop. It’s just the nature of the beast.

Sadly I forgot to take any pictures at all throughout this project, so I have noting to post here :confused:

I have to install a new NIC in it (I’m replacing the dual port x520 with a quad port x710) in the near future. If you are curious to see what my implementation looks like, let me know and I’ll see if I can take a few pictures and add them here.