yeah, in reference to Abigailās comment, I hate the attitude about things being ājust fine unless youve got LN2 hardy har harā like thereās a difference between actually hardcore overclocking (no pun intended) and a ābabyās first overclockā
I dont know what voodoo magic wendell was using because thereās no way I would be caught dead with a 2700x in a fucking 3 phase. If the heatsink wasnt actually a fair heatsink, It would be dead inside a year. absolutely ridiculous on a midrange b450 board
And they should have a nice conversation with Buildzoid and stream the whole thingā¦
QUESTION for @wendell: I have noticed this in a few videos now, but the Cooler Master AIOā¦ Is it intentional, that the one fan is RGB fever dream, while the other isnāt? I mean is the second fan dead light or non rgb or whatever? It bugs meā¦
As for the board - I like the fact you have 2xM.2 NVME supportā¦ Not just 1nvme and 1sataā¦
I am still a believer that low-end setups or designs like that has nothing to do in above low-end tier motherboards in terms of the VRMās. Just because the x450 can handle some overclocking, does not mean that the VRM-design gives you the full benefit of it. Now, I still detest the B350 boards, but sadly I own three. It will be my personal opinion in full, but itās the last time I ever get a non high-end chipset. the xX70 series actually ramps up so you have actual features available - but donāt have to use them. The double nvme support, asus did that with a B350 mini-ITX.
edit - granted the 450 is a much needed refresh of āmid-tierā.
So basically A320/A420 only?
This VRM (itās literally copy-paste from their B350 boards) runs 100% 8 core fairly warm, I can say hot. But it runs. I mean come on, itās nowhere near 125 C and this will be even lower thermally wise on a 6 core. On top of that it have somehow decent heatisnk, unlike the lot of themā¦
Yes, there shouldnāt really be any similarities between them. I also base my opinion with the possibility of it going 8+. Hereās the thing - if it runs hot already, whereās my headroom for oc? Yeah, does it job stock, but not enough headroom. All manufactures seems to like this approach.
You canāt really expect proper 8 phase (even 4 with doublers) on an 80$ board. Seriously, thatās why X470 exists. Other than that X470 donāt really have much else to offer.
It runs hot already, but the board isnāt really ment for hardcore 8 core OCā¦ Itās probably ment for hardcore 4 core OC and mid range 6 coreā¦ The high power 8 cores have 70 chipsetsā¦ I agree with that, but I donāt agree, that this should be a low end board, because it doesnāt have a true 8 phaseā¦ No board have true 8 phaseā¦ They have 4 with doublersā¦ In the best case 6 with doublers to make it 12 phases.
True true. Still, they have three different tiers A, B and X. They have cpuās that works with all of them (unsure about A-series?). And they have oc features from B-series. I do not really care that it might not be for it - but itās officially supported, and you have boards that lack in design all over - for just supported features. I can take that the A-series chipsets might run hot, they are not meant to be touched in that sense. But B and X are. Hence - I want a design from manufacturers that mirrors the feature-setā¦
okay so youre talking out of your ass. does it support overclocking Ryzen 2000 or what?
9 phases? not even fucking close. please dont shill for motherboard marketing departments. the engineering on the vast majority of low end boards SUCK. they are objectively doing a bad job allocating resources to the VRMs to chase a look of performance
I donātā¦ I never said this is the best there is. I said that it does the job and you can overclock the low end quad cores and the mid range 6 coresā¦
Wrong again. The engineering on all low end boards suck and unfortunately the engineering on B450 sucks as wellā¦ There is no B450 boars, that actually have good VRMā¦ May be one of those MSI boards, that I never care for, because itās MSI and I never ever had a good experience with any MSI products I ever touched everā¦ But other than that all B450 boards have objectively bad VRM designs.
My argument all this time is Ryzen doesnāt need 8+ phases to run well and this is way better than most actually low end motherboards, that have 3+2 phases with no backups, no heatsink and no nothing on themā¦
That is a low end design for a low end board.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
A320 doesnt have overclocking support. who cares.
Bx50 has overclocking support. they are marketed as step-down enthusiast boards. they are marketed with overclocking and VRMs in mind, soI say youre āshilling for mobo marketing departmentsā because youre clearly implying that itās not āforā 8 cores except that itās literally for all of them sooā¦
they ARE poorly designed from a cost/benefit perspective to get a look of performance. I never said that they have to be real 8 phases. I said that its a problem that they are marketed as better than they are when they are not good in the majority of cases.
I donāt understand why are we having this argumentā¦
Can you OC a Ryzen CPU on that specific board? Yes you can. I have the same one. If I had better PSU I may even try for the hell of it.
Is the design good - no, itās poor. Can you OC an 8 core Ryzen on poor VRM design? Yes you can. The stupid thing is so efficient it doesnāt give a fuck. That board have 3+3 phases and still can overclock an 8 core. Not too far, but it can.
Does Asrock and Gigabyte and the rest do a shitty thing by false advertising their VRM designs - no doubt.
I say you are wrong most low end boards suck. They all suck. I agree that most Bx50 boards have bad VRM designā¦ I disagree with Bx50 being low end boardsā¦
I also disagree they are enthusiasts board, when a shit like the crosshair exists with all its actually enthusiasts features and actually hardcore ocerclocking VRM and bios options and what notā¦
My issue isnt that you cant overclock it, but that once you do, the board will give out in a year? 1.5 years? 2, maybe? They could have acceptable longevity if the design was actually focused on value rather than marketing.
as for the rest of it, I guess we just are bad at reading tone in our text I suppose we mostly agree
The design is actually focused on bothā¦
Itās way cheaper for them to just do that and say āwe have a 6+3 phasesā than actually use doublers and run extra traces and programming of chips and what notā¦
I used to think the same as you, but then I considered the following:
Does the VRM do itās job? Yes.
Does it support OC? It does.
Does it have some cooling? Those heatsinks are actually pretty beefy.
The extra components actually help spread the heat productionā¦
And then thereās Gigabyte, that donāt even do that. They donāt even have double componentry. They have 1 high and 2 low side fetsā¦ They canāt even pretend to have phasesā¦
Now the marketing is shit. I agree. But if they havenāt said 6+3 then that would actually be an OK vrm. Far from good, but still better than a lot of them.
PS: also I told you if thereās good B450 board itās MSIā¦
Edit: you dont seem to understand what Im saying when I say itās not a cost effective design. itās really frustrating when you just say, āwell can it OC? yes? okay then end of discussionā
let me see if I can find a video that can better explain so we understand each other better.
you say im wrong but agree with me so ???
I suppose we mostly agree