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[AMD/RADEON] Navi NextGen(tm) GPU Rumors & News TINFOIL HAT Edition


#1

#2

It seems that we will not get any GPUs for Gaming in 2018 / 2019 and we hopefully get new powerful NEXTGEN™ GPUs in 2020, so the next GPU released will be from Nvidia and depending on busy Raja is, maybe he gets some new silicon up and running.

I’m kinda dissappointed but then again… I really like the Ryzen / Ryzen 2 & Threadripper / TR2 and AMD really needs some products that actually sell and that AMD can profit off of.


#3

I think your last point is the really important one. It makes more sense to compete in the mid range market with cards around 250,- bucks or less. Basically a new Polaris. They need to sell as much as possible

The idea of a multi-die GPU has been floating around for a while now and I think that is something AMD will try to pull off at some point… but not with Navi.

It really looks like anyone with a 980Ti, 1070, 1080, 1080Ti, Fury or Vega card won’t need to even think about the next card for another two years. And honestly when I look at what all of these GPUs are capable of … I don’t have a problem with that.


#4

Well…


I don’t like the fact 2020 is the only time-frame we currently have.


#5

So to go balls deep into the crystalbowl:

From the business perspective the choices from AMD were way more profitable then doing gamer GPUs for the highend exactly as you said. BUT if the NextGen™ GPUs are mcm GPUs like ryzen… That could be very interesting.


#6

Navi is rumored for quite a long time ago to be an MCM GPU. And AMD already have the technology. I mean the infinity fabric is a thing for a couple years now and with GDDR speed it will be crazy fast…
But those are just speculations you know. There is no news or anything about Navi, so until they say something I kinda don’t want to hype myself.


#7

Uh.
Most gamers i know aren’t buying 1080TIs. They aren’t even buying 1080s. The sweet spot is the 1060-1070 level and that’s what AMD are aiming NAVI at (or rather the 2019 equivalent performance).

If you think that the only people gaming are running GTX1080s and up you’ve got a pretty warped view of reality. Or maybe your circle of friends is very much in the top 10-15% of gamer hardware (worldwide, i mean).

Most people just aren’t.

We’re at an interesting point now too. Even stuff like an RX470/480 or 1060 is plenty good enough for 1080p in almost everything.

The stronger cards are good for 1440p, 4k is still a stretch unless you’re going ultra high end. And I’d argue faster frame rate at 1440p > 4k for most stuff.

Most people are still on 1080p and it is “good enough”. Outside of the fringe fanatic crowd, people just aren’t running PC games at 4k.


#8

I bought a 1080Ti because I wanted to not touch the graphics card unless I wanted to for years. And this was back in October when you could actually get them at sorta reasonable prices. That being said I am looking at Ryzen 3 in 2019 and would love to toss them more money with an AIB Navi GPU but the latter is to be determined if it makes sense.


#9

Yeah, i’m on crossfire vega 64, but people like us aren’t the typical PC gamer… :smiley:

There’s plenty of buyers for lower end hardware…


#10

My perspective was rest somewhat after a friend brought his kid round to have a look at my system and get some advice for his first PC build.

I showed him my 1080 Ti & 980 Ti systems and was suitably wowed.

However when I pointed out my HP desktop in the front room had a half height 1050 Ti installed just to run my Zwift virtual software for my exercise bike he was like “You have a 1050 Ti JUST to run that!”.

Of course to a typical kid that would be a big investment or present and not the “good enough” GPU I’d considered it.

I gave him some advice and a Xonar 7.1 DX sound card as something to get his own system started with.


#11

One of my friend is running a 1080ti, everyone else is running GTX970/R9 270X or slower.

500 money units is about what the typical person spends at max for their PC. So 2400G, SSD, HDD, 8GB RAM, PSU, Case. That is it, money up.


#12

“We are looking at the MCM type of approach,” says Wang, “but we’ve yet to conclude that this is something that can be used for traditional gaming graphics type of application.” via PCGamesN

So, is it possible to make an MCM design invisible to a game developer so they can address it as a single GPU without expensive recoding?

“Anything’s possible…” says Wang.

MCM may be a thing but if it would be a thing then ISV and NUMA are the critical components and after that also the studios that make the games need to support that kind of thing…

MCM GPUs from Radeon 2025 you head it here first :joy:


#13

also I read somewhere that Navi would use GDDR6 and I’m pretty confident to remember that there was an articel stating that you can oc gddr6 that is supposed to run at 16gbs to get to 20 fairly easy


#14

AMD Radeon Pro V340 – 2x Vega 10 GPU Using An Multi GPU Solution
The card was quietly unveiled in a presentation given by Nick Pandher, Director of Market Development Professional Graphics at AMD during a Chinese press event. The card is one of the first AMD cards to feature 32 GB of HBM2 memory and is essentially 2 Vega 10s running in parallel. The graphics card is being purported as a virtualization solution with capacity for 32 users.

From The AMDGPU Info/News Thread

I’m gonna rename the Thread to require everybody to have strong tin foil hats


#15

Buckle up buttercups, WCCFtech has a big glas of our favourite cool aid:

The AMD Polaris 30 GPUs are completely unheard of and not even part of any roadmap we have seen so far. The Polaris 30 GPU is said to be the third iteration to the high-end Polaris line which initially shipped as Polaris 10 in 2016 followed by Polaris 20 in 2017. Polaris 30 based GPUs are said to use the latest 12nm FinFET process and deliver a 15% performance jump over Polaris 20 GPUs.

Navi 10 will be the first Navi part to arrive and will be landing sometime in 2H 2019 or early 2020, depending on a couple of factors. The performance level of this part will be equivalent to Vega and it will be a small GPU based on 7nm.

Navi 14 will follow Navi 10 soon after.

Navi 20 is going to be the true high-end GPU built on the 7nm node and as things stand right now, you are tentatively looking at it landing sometime around 2020 – 2021.

So lean back, take a big gulp and let the GPU rumors flow through you :japanese_ogre:


#16

Wasn´t the smaller number Polaris the faster Polaris? This does not make sense…
Navi landing 2020ish fits though.


#17

Videocardz doesn’t allow hotlinking. Might as well just save the image and paste it into the post.


#18

fixed? maybe?


#19

I was hoping for Navi next year but who knows if any of this information is correct, especially considering WCCFTech and Videocardz appear to be the source.


#20

Now the clock rate on 7nm LPP is a big trick, you either get 55% power savings from the same frequency as 14nm or you can get 40% faster clock rates from the same power as 14nm. Here’s the thing though, if you were to aim for 40% faster clocks at the same power package, you’d also have to feed power to the extra HBM2 VRAM (4 Stacks vs 2 Stacks), the new DNN instruction sets. The power package under such a scenario would easily exceed 400W.