ZFS fine-tuning to keep HDDs spun down and delay txg sync operations

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Hey everyone!

So, my brain has cooked up a thing, which I want to share with you, in the hopes, that we could brainstorm over it and work out, if this is actually feasible.

I currently am obsessed with building the most power efficient Server for my needs. I have a zpool containing two mirrored spinning disks, which currently are running 24/7. Because this is my Home Server, the zpool is mostly idle, as there are not many services, that frequently use the zpool.

Now to my idea.
I want the hard drives to stay non-rotating most of the time, to conserve power and to minimize noise. The drives should only spin up to “sync” the latest changes for example every hour and then spin down again. I know of the disadvantages spinning HDDs up and down all the time.

I was thinking of the following steps:

  • Disable synchronous writes in the entire pool with sync=disable
  • Raise the vfs.zfs.txg.timeout to e.g. 3600
  • Attach a mirrored special vdev located on an SSD to the zpool to hold all the metadata, speed up the access times of the pool and prevent spinning up the drives for every metadata related operation
  • Attach a cache vdev to the zpool located on an SSD to read the most used data from flash, again, without the need to spin up the drives

I am aware, that disabling synchronous writes raises some serious risks of data loss on an unorderly shutdown. But I basically never write any data to the zpool, that is not replacable and I am willing to take that risk.

My understanding is, that all the data, that is about to be written to the zpool and that is being accumulated over the period of 3600 seconds, is cached in RAM and only written to disk, when those 3600 seconds expire or when the size of the RAM-cache is exeeded.
Is this true? Would utilizing a mirrored log vdev help with catching those writes?

What do you think of my idea? Would this actually work or am I getting it totally wrong?

I would love to hear your input on this and discuss this topic further, because this really fascinates me.
I am looking forward to any input that any of you can provide.

Cheers!

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This is only a quick read so I may be misunderstanding, but the SLOG is never read from except on pool import after a crash, it does not act like people expect a write cache to behave.

And if you disable sync writes, I don’t expect it to be used at all.

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A SLOG wouldn’t help, but a metadata special device may be able to help, especially if you set up special_block_size for the OS dataset such that any OS files that get read/written regularly (log for example) will be stored on the metadata devices instead of the HDDs.

For example:

mypool
  root
  storage
    anime
    manga
    visualnovels

In this case special_block_size for mypool/root would be equal to recordsize, and be whatever makes sense for mypool/storage and its children. The HDDs should only be active when the pool is imported/exported and when your storage datasets are being used, so it sounds like they ought to be able to power down.
You should give it a try and report back. If it works I might do the same on my server.

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Ok now I’m getting curious, what if instead of sync=disable, we do the opposite:

  • Huge power safe SLOG
  • sync=all
  • Huge txg timeouts and dirty data size

Coalesce all writes in ARC as “normal” (forever), while furiously wearing out a pair of nvme drives?

IMG_7886

I expect there to be mechanics at play here that would throw a wrench into this that I don’t typically pay attention to. I’m pretty sure that are other things that trigger flushing the dirty data.

I think this’ll probably screw over performance as well, I’m not sure if programs making normally asynchronous writes will have to wait for ZFS to send back a now slower “yup I got it”

One thing you can do, is set up a VM with zfs, give that zfs various files as devices to make vdevs with, and test in the vm, checking if the files get written to in the timeframe expected.

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this is a longer project, I started it last week, but haven’t found the time to really dig deep yet.
Edit: forget that “non-rotating”, but merging reads and writes is possible to reduce disk activity

https://openzfs.org/wiki/ZFS_on_high_latency_devices

post init script to set the values

/root/postinit.sh                                                                                                                                                                                
#!/bin/sh

PATH="/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:${PATH}"
export PATH

ARC_PCT="65"
ARC_BYTES=$(grep '^MemTotal' /proc/meminfo | awk -v pct=${ARC_PCT} '{printf "%d", $2 * 1024 * (pct / 100.0)}')
echo ${ARC_BYTES} > /sys/module/zfs/parameters/zfs_arc_max

SYS_FREE_BYTES=$((8*1024*1024*1024))
echo ${SYS_FREE_BYTES} > /sys/module/zfs/parameters/zfs_arc_sys_free


ZDDM="8589934592"
echo ${ZDDM} > /sys/module/zfs/parameters/zfs_dirty_data_max

#ZDDMM="8589934592"         
#echo ${ZDDMM} > /sys/module/zfs/parameters/zfs_dirty_data_max_max

ZTT="10"
echo ${ZTT} > /sys/module/zfs/parameters/zfs_txg_timeout

ZDMDP="70"
echo ${ZDMDP} > /sys/module/zfs/parameters/zfs_delay_min_dirty_percent

ZFS Tunables

root@truenas[~]# arc_summary                                                

------------------------------------------------------------------------
ZFS Subsystem Report                            Fri Jul 28 03:35:26 2023
Linux 5.15.107+truenas                                          2.1.11-1
Machine: truenas (x86_64)                                       2.1.11-1

ARC status:                                                      HEALTHY
        Memory throttle count:                                         0

ARC size (current):                                    29.6 %   48.3 GiB
        Target size (adaptive):                        30.0 %   49.0 GiB
        Min size (hard limit):                          4.8 %    7.9 GiB
        Max size (high water):                           20:1  163.4 GiB
        Most Frequently Used (MFU) cache size:         33.5 %   16.1 GiB
        Most Recently Used (MRU) cache size:           66.5 %   32.1 GiB
        Metadata cache size (hard limit):              75.0 %  122.6 GiB
        Metadata cache size (current):                  0.3 %  360.4 MiB
        Dnode cache size (hard limit):                 10.0 %   12.3 GiB
        Dnode cache size (current):                     0.4 %   44.0 MiB

ARC hash breakdown:
        Elements max:                                             124.4k
        Elements current:                              95.8 %     119.2k
        Collisions:                                                 2.7k
        Chain max:                                                     2
        Chains:                                                      205

ARC misc:
        Deleted:                                                     185
        Mutex misses:                                                  0
        Eviction skips:                                              182
        Eviction skips due to L2 writes:                               0
        L2 cached evictions:                                     0 Bytes
        L2 eligible evictions:                                   1.4 MiB
        L2 eligible MFU evictions:                     11.6 %  161.0 KiB
        L2 eligible MRU evictions:                     88.4 %    1.2 MiB
        L2 ineligible evictions:                                 9.0 KiB

ARC total accesses (hits + misses):                                75.5M
        Cache hit ratio:                               99.8 %      75.4M
        Cache miss ratio:                               0.2 %     119.4k
        Actual hit ratio (MFU + MRU hits):             99.8 %      75.3M
        Data demand efficiency:                        99.9 %      10.2M
        Data prefetch efficiency:                       0.1 %      95.6k

Cache hits by cache type:
        Most frequently used (MFU):                    97.0 %      73.1M
        Most recently used (MRU):                       3.0 %       2.3M
        Most frequently used (MFU) ghost:               0.0 %          0
        Most recently used (MRU) ghost:                 0.0 %          0
        Anonymously used:                             < 0.1 %      16.9k

Cache hits by data type:
        Demand data:                                   13.6 %      10.2M
        Prefetch data:                                < 0.1 %         87
        Demand metadata:                               86.4 %      65.1M
        Prefetch metadata:                            < 0.1 %      17.0k

Cache misses by data type:
        Demand data:                                    9.2 %      10.9k
        Prefetch data:                                 80.0 %      95.5k
        Demand metadata:                                9.3 %      11.2k
        Prefetch metadata:                              1.5 %       1.8k

DMU prefetch efficiency:                                           15.7M
        Hit ratio:                                      8.4 %       1.3M
        Miss ratio:                                    91.6 %      14.4M

L2ARC not detected, skipping section

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6

I see your point for efficiency but with only two drives I struggle to see the point as that’s only 12-18 W at full tilt.

That’s 1.22 KWh per month which would total a whoppin 16 cents.

Is all this worth it: wear and tear on the drive heads and motor, data safety, all for less than a quarter?

IMO just skip HDD entirely and go for large 2.5" SSD

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7

I’ve spent little time on HDD. When it’s directly connected or over network mount to one or more desktop computers, it was pretty difficult to control when to or not to spin. So much so that I simply left it spinning always which I believe is healthier for its lifespan at the expense of some stupid money on electricity.

I hope you’ll figure out something, together with others in this thread. Obsession is great and fun when new findings are reached.

8

Just a casual question. Do you have battery backup? For clean shutdowns. This will fuck any database on unclean exit. Ive screwed over nextcloud a lot doing this. Now I moved to enterprise ssd mirrored stuff for my slog. A 980 pro for l2arc and sync=always for anything a db is on

Just personal experience. Dont let it discourage

This too and I dont mean to be a wet blanket but nas drives that are validated for 24/7 use or ent drive dont like to be switched on and off a lot. I believe backblaze talked about this once? It makes sense mechanically btw. Starting and stopping is where problems are statistically most likely to occur. Its also where you incur the most power draw. Steady state pulls far less power motor wise

Doesnt have to be nvme. He can run dual sata Intel DC S3700s. They are plenty fast for the task of slog. Not as faat as RAM but because they are intels special High Endurance MLC they last a really long time. Theres been a good bit of praise for them on the truenas forums at times. I bought some spares in case i screw mine over with sync=always

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Hey everyone! Thanks for all the input, I really appreciate it!

That is what I have read as well. But that would’ve been to easy, wouldn’t it be?

I will definitely add a special vdev to my pool. Next thing for me is setting up a VM and testing this. I will report back with my findings. Thanks for the suggestion!
Does somebody know how I can get an estimate of how much space my current zpool utilizes for metadata? I have no clue as to how big a special vdev should be, even without allocating any small blocks of data to it.

Interesting thought. That would definitely achieve, that all data is written to the zil on the slogs. But I would agree with your thought, that this would impact performance dramatically. Another thing I can try out in my VM! I will report back.
Can someone clarify how the dirty_data_size setting comes into play? I fail to recognize the correlation. I would assume, that dirty data is everything, that is in the process of writing, but not being actually written to disk, correct? So, data flowing through the cache and being hashed, compressed, etc.

I’ve flown over the two articles. Incredibly interesting, but I will have to take some time to dig deep into it and understand it fully. But there are certainly some helpful ideas I will try out.

I have thought about the actual impact this endeavor would yield quite a lot and I guess it will be negligible. It is pure entertainment and the never ending will to tinker.
As far as drive wear is concerned, I do get your concern. But my use case is not mission critical and I actually think, that modern hard drives can deal with being spun up and down quite well. I use 2 Toshiba MG08 Enterprise Capacity HDDs, which are rated for 600.000 loads and unloads. I guess I will be fine. But I will report back if I am proven otherwise.

No, I actually don’t have a battery backup. However I am thinking about investing in a small UPS. But those are very inefficient and draw a lot of extra power, do they not?
Luckily all the datasets for my databases (postgresql, mariadb and prometheus at the moment) are set to sync=always, because I had issues with unclean shutdowns and system crashes in the past, although they were not caused by a power out. This is something that I learned some time ago.

How long have you been running your slogs on this SSD model? Does it show any wear yet?
Do you have any recommendations as to what SSD to use for this job? I personally would have looked for some used TLC- or MLC-SSDs, but apart from this I would have not looked any further.

Thanks again for your posts. Let’s keep the ideas flowing.
I will set up my VM now and hopefully have the time in the next few days to test a few things.

Cheers!

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Don’t do that.

You can do those above. I suggest to also add a slog device. You don’t need to mirror slog device. slog device is mirrored with the in-memory log in nature. It is mainly for performance.

There may be some misconception with txg sync. If there is not data to write, txg sync would not spin up a harddisk. I have this setup at home. Thus, I can confirm this.
The key is to minimize disk access by any chance. Don’t put vm on that pool. You can also import the pool as readonly.

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Optane or enterprise grade mlc drives

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I understand where you come from, recommending a SLOG device is always the more responsible position if you don’t know the workload and the situation.
But the truth is, the majority of all private NAS systems have a 100% async workload.
SAMBA, for example, doesn’t make sync calls, NFS does, and with iSCSI it depends on the application.
The vast majority of benchmarks are useless and will lead to wrong decisions, except they can really mimic the intended use for your System

The recommendation should be either “set sync=always” and use a SLOG or test all real workloads and see if something uses sync calls and how important are this data for you.
Maybe it’s just a test database, does it need a SLOG?
I’d rather say it’s better to recommend, to spend the Money for a second NAS for replication than to slaughter the performance of your zpool with RaidZ2 and sync=always.
As I said, I’m talking about private use here, where the probability of a pending TXG of irretrievable data is very unlikely.

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Any success with this? I’m more interested in coalescing writes for a longer interval to reduce fragmentation and not as interested in drive spindown.

At work we have an all-flash EMC Unity that appears to have 20-something GB of battery-backed RAM that it uses as a landing zone for writes. The txg flush interval seems to be every 15 minutes based on the performance charts. Now I understand how our dba’s can shitkick this thing year after year but the SSD’s never wear out. Write amplification is probably close to zero with the big sequential writes this thing does.

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I just got an intel D7-5600 6.4TB u.2 drive off amazon for $369. It is rated for 3 drive wipes per day for 5 years. This drive line was sold to solidigm, so that is where you get the tool. The tool reported zero hours on, so it is a new drive.

With normal use I don’t think that you could wear out this drive.