Ultra Low Power, Low Budget, No Noise and 3 screens. A quick review of my second build

A few month ago you guys helped me with my first, my second and my third build and now i want to present you my second build.

Because my first build needs too much power for my budget to run it about 9 hours a day, i buildet my second build. Ultra Low Power and 0 db and i want to share my experiences with this systems with you beacause i am very happy with the speed and the productivity of this even cheap system.

Please let me know if you want to hear more about it, before i sit here and type 20 mins for nothing.

So if you are interessted in a PC that needs about 30W and runs 3 screens just leave a comment!

And: Thank you very much guys. You are great and i hope i can do something for you with sharing my experiences of this system with you.

I would like to hear about that PC.

I would like to hear about it as well. Low power PC's are always interesting to me.

Thank you very much for your interest in my build.

First of all, sorry for my bad english...

My main interessts in this build where:
1. Ultra Low Power.
2. As cheap as possible
3. As powerfull as possible if it does not affect the first 2 points.

It was essential to be:
1. 0 db, so no mechanical parts
2. Be able to drive 3 screens
3. Work with my Modmic, so i will need a Soundcard for the mic boost.
4. Be able to be driven by solarpower.

So i decided to use these components:
MB: Asrock q1900m (MB and CPU)
Soundcard: Asus Xonar DGX
Videocard: Sapphire Radeon HD5450
PSU: PicoPSU M3 ATX 125W.
SSD: Adata SP900 128GB
RAM: 4 GB GSkill DDR3 1333MHz (2 x 2 Gb)
Case: LC-Power Mini ATX 3001B "Executor"
OS: Win 8.1 with StartIsBack

So lets see the technical specs:

CPU: Intel Celeron J1900 with 4 Cores @2 GHz (but the TaskManager it is 2,37GHz most of the time)
Power: 10 W TDP

GPU: 650Mhz Core, 500 Mhz Memory (DDR3 (i think) 1028 mb inside, 2666 mb with HyperMemory)
Power: 19 W at full load (Its less actually) 6 W @ idle

SSD: 128 GB, Read: 550 mb/s, Write 520 mb/s
Power: 4 W

PSU: Possible input Voltages: 6 - 24 V (for a short time under 4 V are possible)
It is designed to use the dirtiest energy you can find. So it ts stable even at car starting sparks.
efficiency: 94% at about 12-15V and 50% load
Max Power: 125W constand (150W peak)

I get about 13 V from a normal trafo lying around in my flat. The losses are damn high and i will replace it soon with a better trafo.

What did this cost me?
MB: 50 €
RAM: 30€
GPU: 36 €
Soundcard: 32 €
ATX PSU Adapter: 4 €
DVI Adapter: 4 €
Adapters for the Power: about 5 € all together
PSU: 55 €
SSD: 54 €
Case: 16 €

Alltogether:
286 €

So its all passive cooled. Dont you have Problems with the heat?
Well.. Not really. Even tho the case is very cheap, it isnt very bad for passive cooled builds. My temps are:

(Room temperature 23 °C, temps measures with Asrock A-Tuning and the Catalyst Control centre, Power measured with Powermeter with all losses of the PSU, at every test i drove 3 screens with open thunderbird, taskmanager, firefox and the measurement programs)

The power consumption is a bit "high" because i used the crappiest trafo i have so there is the possibility to decrease it.

Normal usage:
CPU: 38 °C (102 F)
MB: 36 °C (96 F)
GPU: 70°C
Power: 24 - 27 W

The GPU temp is a bit hot, but its not unhealthy hot i think.

10 minutes Prime 95 inplace large ftt's (max power consumption):
CPU: 46 °C (114 F)
MB: 37 °C (98 F)
GPU: 70 °C
Power: 37,1 W

10 minutes Prime 95:
CPU: 46 °C (114 F)
MB: 37 °C (98 F)
GPU: 70 °C
Power: 35,7 W

10 minutes gaming CounterStrike:
CPU: 43 °C (109 F)
MB: 38 °C (102 F)
GPU: 89 °C
Power: 38,4 W

PC Off:
Power: 3,7 W (Because of the bad trafo)

And its 0 db right? So no sound at all?
Well, in a normal working position you can't hear anything. But if you hold your ear at the case, you can hear the PSU a ridiculus little bit feeping. But it's quite nothing.

What about the normal usage? Can you work with it?
I use this pc for working. I often use Eclipse for working with java for my university, firefox with a few (about 10) open taps and thunderbird and this works fine. Its not ridiculus fast, but its really fast enough to be productive.
The biostime is 4.1 seconds and the bios needs about another second or two but you can decrease it to almost nothing with "fast boot" but i don't need to use it.
Sometimes i play CS Source or watch videos at FullHD with Amazon Prime, and listen to musik and do other normal stuff and this works quite fine. Just when i watch films with Prime, there isn't much free computing power to do much else.
When playing CS Source in offline mode, you can't really play with more than 7 bots because of the limited CPU-Power but it's not a gaming machine so thats totally fine.

You use 3 screens? How?
I use the integrated intel GPU for my right monitor and the Radeon for the middle and the left ones. You have to change one thing in the bios but then it works great. I just have HDMI inputs for my screens so i use the 2 HDMI's from the dedicated GPU and the integrated and one DVI to HDMI Adapter from the dedicated GPU for the last screen.

Do you have other problems or things you dont like at your build?
Well, yes. Sometimes i get a bluescreen because of the crappy drivers for the GPU's when i switch my 3 screens for using the other PC (i can switch it when both PC's are on, but i dont do this very often cause of the bluescreens.
Additional there is no USB3 Port at the Motherboard for the Front of the case but i may will buy a card for that.. Soon you will se Pictures of the inside. There is a mess with cables and unfixed modules so it's not (yet) really portable but i will fix this soon.
Beside this, its a very nice build and i am happy to use it every day.

You talked so much, what about some pics?
Sure, here you are:


Thats my case. Its very, small, cheap and looks nice. At the top of the Case there is kind of a mesh thing, so the warm air can be exhausted automatically and i dont get that much problems with the heat.

So lets take a look inside


The trafo is in the right upper corner. Its just there and i dont really fixed it.


Here you can se the GPU above the Soundcard. There isn't much space but the temps aren't that scary that i would have to do something about it. The only thing is, that the Soundcard can become about 66°C hot (measured with IR thermometer) and i asked ASUS about this and it's a bit to hot for the card, but personally i dont think it will die soon.
Thats the main reason why i dont overclock my GPU because there is simply wuite no airstream for the heatsink. Otherwise it would run stable at 690MHz (Core) and 890 MHz (Memory) if i remember correctly.


Thats another interessting thing about the Case. It passes this cable through the case from the back to the front for installing the PSU there. Because i use a Trafo inside, i created this Adapter:

There i plug in my trafo and i get a normal car plug from it, so i need another adapter for the Pico PSU. Here it is:

This two cables go to the Pico you can see here. It has just 20 Pins so i needed another Adapter to use it with the 24 Pin MB.
The Pico just flyes around in the case like the trafo and thats not perfect. Unless is works just fine, i will fix this in future.

So this is it. My first Ultra Low Power, Low Budget and 0db PC comatible with Solar power and able to use 3 screens.

If i got additional money i will try to set up the solar power system. But first i have to finish my third build (Codename NASty "MAGGI 0" and thats ridiulus expensive for a studend like me. But if you want to hear about when i finish the solar setup, please just reply this and i will inform you then ^^)

Thank you very much for reading this. If you have any questions, i would love to answer them.

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I have the same motherboard in a similar build. I too drive three screens with it. Although I do not need a soundcard and I did not go solar. So my system consists of:

ASRock Q2900M (Intel J1900 CPU)
Sapphire R5 230 Flex
HyperX RAM 4GB
Some ADATA SSD (64GB)
BeQuiet System Power 7 300W

Other little stuff:
Internal Adapter from single (5 Pin) USB Header to USB A female with small flashdrive (to be mounted read only later)
USB 2.0 header to usb 3.0 header adapter (case has 3.0 in the front)

System in idle: 17 Watts
System under full CPU load: 37 Watts
CPU Temp under full load: 53 °C

I run some ubuntu derived linux on it (currently Mint with the Cinnamon Desktop), system idles at <1Gig, never tops out 3,1 gig while working (althouth I take care not to open firefox AND chrome at the same time). The lowest Ram usage in idle goes to my laptop (running Lubuntu) with a staggering 300mb idle usage (altough I really don't like the desktop look on a big screen which is the reason I only use it on small devices).

I swapped the power supply and case a few months ago. I used some old case and some old PSU I had laying around.

Thoughts on low power systems and further plans:
I would go Braswell in the next build, slightly lower clockrate and slightly lower in performance (although still enough), lower SDP (Scenario design power, i.e. what it actually will use) of 7.5 Watts or thereabouts and most crucial: 3 screen support out of the box and H.265 hardware-acceleration.
I will use a A4-5000 based system due to the need for 1) VGA output and 2) shedload of USB 2.0 ports.

Very nice build, its interesting to see that someone else got that board with a 3 screen setup.
I used your PSU for my Server that needs about the same power and i am totally fine with it for the low power it has to deliver. I will create a post if i acually have gone solar with this machine but that could need a few months.

Maybe i will switch to Linux or just made a dualboot to see if my programs run fine (i got some problems with eclipse on another PC under linux).
The soundcard is not essential of course. But i need it for my Modmic and it wasn't too expensive.

By the way: There was a little update for my soundcard: I bought a PCIe extender so i can mount it in the lowest slot of my case (away from the graphics card) due too better airflow ad with this better vooling because i will run this machine 24/7 to donate some computing power (inkl. computing with the GPU) to with boinc for the LHC and SETI so it has to be a bit colder.

This decreased the temperature under full load of the GPU of about 10°C.

And Garfield: Whats your opinion with the board? Are you happy to use it or do you have some problems with the computing power?

greetings from germany

By the way: Maybe i will do this: Buy the same setup as now but with a normal PSU and a better GPU. cutt a hole in the case and mount a 9" HD screen in it and have some fun on lans. That would be kinda awesome.

Felix

The Eclipse version in the ubuntu standard repo is very old (must be Kepler or something, current is Mars), maybe you should consider using a 3rd party repo for Eclipse. If you use triple screen under linux you might want to try Arandr (in the default repo), it makes the screen setup easier and is able to export the setup to a bash script which is placed in ~/.screenlayout

The Mainboard has enough features. At the moment I have early-adopter remorse. Because I could have gone with the ITX version of the board and could have taken the Fractal Core 500 (I have a 3500 and a 2500 for my two systems). Since the CPU only has 2 PCIe lanes I really do not need any more than one PCIe slot.

Computing power is enough for my use. Compiling stuff does take longer than on my big machine (who would have thought?) but is bearable and does not happen too often.

Is your intel gpu capable of handling 3 screen on the dice?, my experience is that running multiple screen on different GPUs is a cpu nightmare for some odd reason.
albeit i've been running cross radeon/NVidia gpus but it cost me like a full core of computation to playback lets say rendering youtube videos.
You build is actually quite interresting, 30 watts is a VERY nice number for a system using x86 architechture, not to mention the "low" noise. kudos mate.

Hm. I do not remember any problems with Youtube. A friend of mine had Problems with 720p60fps Videos on Youtube until he played them with the "play network stream" option in VLC. So it seems like a browser related Problem to me.
As far as triple Screen are concerened: I did not encounter problems with high CPU utilization as far as I remember.
Anyway currnetly I'd go for the N3700 or the N3710 if I had to buy again. They have HEVC/h.265 in hardware as far as I'm informed.