If they want to sell cards, they have to keep it under 500,-.
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what do you think about this:
VEGA Rev1 starts at 399 all of the Polaris RX Cards get cheaper (i found 2 RX580s that cost 399, most RX580s cost around 300)
VEGA Rev2 (Just like RX480->RX580) then could again start at 399 und the NAVI GPUs (if they perform that good) could then start at 699/799 for "high end" cards.
IF that would be the case, i think AMD would sell basically all the gpus and have a good market standing for when to price the NAVI GPUS.
I think you forgot what Polaris cards are supposed to cost.
And I know that it makes no sense to even think about Navi for a loooong time.
So .....
well... yeah thanks for crushing my little hype-dream there. 
4.12 does not have display support for VEGA. Unless you intend to use VEGA for compute only there is no linux support right now, nor will there be anytime soon.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-412-features&num=1
So there are drivers for VEGA and when the RX VEGA is available there will be display support.
First of all, there is no way AMD is going to push any serious changes into the current merge window. That means the earliest any new additions can come is several months from now.
Second, AMD is having big trouble convincing the kernel maintainers to accept their display code. They have tried to get it into mainline for many, many months now and there is no reason to believe that it's going to happen soon.
And then, the code is only in the kernel. It will take even longer for the distributions to pick it up.
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I am just curious what the mining boom will do to Vega pricing is it possible that miners will pick it up? And create a shortage again?
as long as the price is right then I will be going RX vega, if it isnt then amd just lost me to nvidia.. and I am really sad to say that.
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Too early to say but unlikely.
Expensive and power hungry plus HBM which doesn't do as well with most mining.
I mean they may just because that's all they seem to do it buy anything regardless but less than 580s
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Yeah something is very wrong here.
I'm going to TLDR what I have been saying for a good while now.
Going to Polaris we saw about 10% increase in perf clock for clock, pretty moderate.
Going from Fiji to Vega we can at least expect 20% gain clock for clock, anything other than that is pretty obviously due to driver related problems.
Right now the drivers aren't really working fully for workloads you'd see on a typical gaming card, lots of the more advanced features are disabled.
On the FE card it's mostly meant for tasks other than gaming, and with the very demanding reliability and stability those task demands it's not really surprising that we're not seeing the more consumer optimized drivers yet.
I'm amused by all the headless chickens running around though, Vega being similar if not slightly worse than Fiji clock for clock should speak volumes about the current state of their drivers, and even more so when considering when taking the strange minimum/low frame percentages into account.
@Fouquin i borrowed the picture you have posted above,
to do a vrm overview of the card.
Used purple text to show what those 3 additional vrm´s in the yellow block are for.
It doesnt really go that well in mspaint lol.
Still not too bad for a first attempt i think.
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done.
And limit yourself to an old kernel?
And driver problems?
And low performance?
How is that different than any other release, ever, for any manufacturer?
I'd chance that it will work great 90% of the time, and the last bit is being worked on now.
The initial vega support was 17.2, they are now at 17.6. Progress!
It's not different from any other AMD release. All I'm saying is that the proprietary driver is useless.
As for other vendors: nvidia is much faster in supporting newer versions and intel doesn't even have a proprietary one.
I remind you that my response was to
Besides AMDGPU-PRO is not a new driver, yet it's still not as fast as AMDGPU for other cards. And that one is still behind the windows driver.
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Exactly my thoughts.
Probably because the drivers for Vega are Fiji drivers with some tweaks (GN stated that at least).
AMD had to throw something-Vega on the market so the internet would not get flooded with the "product xyz is late"-style of videos. Now we this card that excells in productive tasks.
Just look at this:
It is Fiji on steroids! Ignoring the snx-02, Vega is at least 20% faster on average. Now this just needs to translate into gaming performance... Either RX Vega does exactly that and competes with the GTX1080 or RX Vega is "worthless" to gaming-only applications.
Two, bitch!
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-CrossFire-Testing
And it looks horrible.