Level1Techs made a video about a deep dive(Rambling as he calls it XD) on intel cpu crashes named " Intel has a Pretty Big Problem". I’m sure most people here have seen this video, but a small recap. Wendell had talked about where he got data from like data from companies game servers. Found some of the boards used where these W680 chip sets like the X13SAE-F and were designed to operate well within the bounds of the CPU specifications. He goes on to talk about the super low ram speeds the boards are using and how those w680 boards are specifically designed for stability and are not push power to the cpus and push them really at all. With that said those servers are also crashing just like the regular consumer boards. He also talks about how the SI’s have about %25 issue rate on those cpus as well.
What I got from this video was mostly that it wasnt the boards really at all its the cpus them selves and we can see that with intel releasing microcode recently to try to fix it. You get the gest of the video if not go watch that full video
Linus tech tips made a video called "Intel CPU Crashes Explained.
In this video Linus goes on to say that the roots go back on the motherboard manufactures. With them competing for faster and faster system trying to boost the cpus out of the box and had set the load lines incorrectly from the gate. Also stated that since the loadlines were set incorrectly the cpu would appear cooler and then system would then push more volatge to the cpu because it thought it had the head room to do so. The video goes on to say once reports came in with stability issues arose bios updates were coming out that had “Intel Base Line” or “Intel Fail safe” but that wasnt intels default settings going on to say asus in that bios update just cramed more volatge to the cpu resulting in more stabilty problems and stated the motherboard manufactures stepped over the line. Linus then talks about the reason for the board manufactures did this is because intel guidelines for setting on the chips is very vague which was also pointed out by Steve from GN. Steve had stated if the intel isnt going to be clear with what settings to use and not to use for baseline default setting then how are the board manufactures to know what to use? Linus further goes on about a bug in ETVB that could a be “contributing” factor to motherboards delivering too many volts. Linus then talks about intel now rolling out microcode update that will hopefully solve the overvolatage issue in august which we jsut saw that code released. Video also states that the oxidation issue “could be” traced back to some of the stability problems. This video also credits level one techs and thanks level1tech for helping with the video.
What I got from linus’s video. Was the video focusing mostly on directly blaming the motherboard manufactures, and the stability problems. Then tip toeing around intels part in all of this by using wors like “can” or “might be” or “could”. Unlike when talking about the motherboard manufactures use direct words and directly pinning then motherboard manufactures for problems and not using tip toeing words.
It’s clear atleast to me that the video Wendell made and the one Linus made are very very different and do not align about what caused what. Which doesnt make sense to me since in a wan show linus goes on to talk about this very thing i just pointed out and how they are going to now censor people for talking about how they blamed the motherboard manufactures more so. Went on to state the reason for it is because wendell viewed the script and linus’s video is right and can’t be wrong because of that.
If i’m crazy to think that linus’s video is incorrect then please tell me because I do not understand.
Linus should never be trusted as a proper source of information, no matter how much he tells you that he should be. Linus is entertainment/memes/clicks/cash first, not an actual enthusiast. He might have been at one point many, many years ago, but not anymore. In Hollywood, they call them “hacks”.
I use to use them as a proper source but never as a one all and be all. I mostly watch Gamers Nexus and Level1techs if I want hard clear information its been clear to me for awhile linus couldnt be trusted anymore which sucked… I was a long time viewer of theres and watched 80-90% of the weekly wan show podcats. It made me sick to when he came out and said they are going to start banning people for bringing up stuff like this like the sheer audacity of that is disgusting to not even question that something maybe wrong and to go nope we are perfect you are the one wrong.
To be clear I never made a comment about what i stated above^ I was never banned by them or had any issues with them until now. I just can’t support that blatant disrespect for the community he showed.
I really would like to know what everyone else’s thoughts are about this. Id like to know if im just crazy
Can’t judge that, TBH. But certainly misinformed. However, this is not the place to discuss Linus and/or his company, especially as neither is here to defend themselves. And any expectations that he must show up to do so is plain wrong.
Mind, I have no problem at all if someone doesn’t like Linus/LTT. Just don’t spread FUD, perpetuate lies or parroting someone else’s opinions on LTT just because you happen to like that person better then Linus
wendell was a writer on that video proof read the whole script. do you consider wendell a hack too?
also check out the top pinned comment guess who it is
edit also also i think a reasonable take is that we cant necessarily trust intel and what they are saying and we also cant trust motherboard manufactures. “the jurys still out” is probably a reasonable take/criticism after all the lies and hiding the problem for over a year until some trusted 3rd party lab tears these things apart and can collaborate/refute claims.
I don’t watch Linus. I haven’t for several years. If Wendell wrote for the video, good for him (he better have gotten paid), but that also proves my point of Linus not being someone that should be taken seriously, because he is not the one doing the work. He’s a face, reading from a script written for him. Period.
I didnt spread lies. i came and presented evidence of a issue i saw between 2 videos. I didnt accuse him of lying. What I said was that the 2 videos do not align with each other.
I dont understand why nothing was talked about with the w680 boards in linus’s video.
I understand wendell went over it i get that and with that said i dont see why it was talked about thats essentially at a small level what im getting at.
I my self didn’t see the pinned comment from wendell. I had watched the video on floatplane.
I see it now but my point still stands. This post was created because im questioning linus and wendell and why the video was presented the way it was vs how wendells video was presented and had more data and clear evidence of what the issue is.
i mean the problem of motherboard manufacturers trying to compete by messing with defaults to give you a better performance sometimes at the cost of stability or longevity isnt new its been going on for years. they probably felt like the audience interested in a deep dive into cpu stability would be aware of this and not need to rehash old news.
I think the difference in presentation that you noticed is that LTT was approaching the issue more as though they’re an extension of Intel’s marketing department. L1 and GN on the other hand are more focused on getting definitive answers regarding the severity and scope of the issue wherever that may lead rather than tip toeing around anything that may reflect poorly on a sponsor.
I think L1 and GN tend to share my perspective which is that it’s in everyone’s, including Intel’s best interest to pin down exactly what’s going on so everyone affected can best mitigate the issue; and faith can be restored in both future and existing products that were never affected. Hindsight is also 20/20 so it’s not like this is something that won’t be fully exposed eventually… the problem just is what it is.
Intel’s PR/marketing department on the other hand seems to prefer trying to deflect and make the issue disappear to whatever extent they can get away with. It’s hard to say which is “better” especially considering both Intel and LTT have been wildly successful. They way I see it though, you’re just noticing the contrast between these perspectives.
That’s what I thought the point of this thread was. Given that both videos apparently had the same information and Wendel even reviewed the script, it’s hard to figure out why the tone and “blame” was so drastically different. I didn’t see the linus video, I first heard about it on the wan show (I really don’t know why I watch those, nothing better to do on a friday night I guess. I need a life) in which he gets butthurt about comments pointing this out, making the very reasonable assumption it was made prior to/separate from wendel’s very recent deep dive that appeared to directly contradict linus’s assertions.
Not that any of this affects me, but it would be nice just from a getting everything straight standpoint to know why wendel “approved” the script pinning the problem to motherboard makers when it seems one of the central points he was making about the problem in his own video is that this is expressly NOT the case based on the server data he has. Or is linus exaggerating the amount of wendel’s involvement/support for his conclusions?
i mean two reasonable people can look at the same facts and come to different conclusions and the videos are aimed at different audiences. wendells video is more aimed at tech enthusiast who already know about the years of motherboard problems “hey guys its not JSUT the motherboards the cpus are also wack” while the techquickie vid is more aimed at the layman who might have heard about the cpu failures but might not be up to speed with the motherboard problems which are also a issue and have since received a ton of updates and patches. its not really conflicting its multiple overlapping problems and they are looking at it from different angles.
also keep in mind the fallacy fallacy i might just be misunderstanding something certainty dont take my word as gospel
Because those workstation boards do not appeal to his main audience: gamers. More precise: teens and early tweens gamers-gamers. You know, the generations who never understand live prior to “the internet” as it’s always been there and if you don’t play the latest 3D shooter like they do, you’re not a real gamer
Wendell’s take is, as mentioned, for a little older group, with more background knowledge then the younger ones.
And then there’s dino’s like me, who remember their first mobile phone in the shape (and size!) of a fridge, way way back in the last millennium
fwiw I helped answer questions for their writer but the tone and direction is entirely ltt. the first version of this imo laid the blame entirely on motherboard manufacturers which I didn’t agree with and said that might throw a wrench in their plans as I was explaining my view and factual errors. there are no real factual errors there now though. their opinion based on the facts they present is not unreasonable however… it’s more nuanced.
at the same time I do question the defaults on many gamer boards. and Asus w680 seems to have an mce like feature on by default for example which is also concerning.
why not both is not an unreasonable take. I really do not care for intels abdication of responsibility as if they were not involved at all.
someone really smart I know explained it more succinctly than I could. Intel plays stupid games [with spec ambiguity], Intel wins stupid prizes.
You’d go to the area of speculation and speculation is a waste of time.
Just let it go, not worth your time thinking about it. Its ok to be bother by Linus’ take. I doubt he is actively/conciously participating in a consipiracy of sorts to shift blame elsewhere. Its just that a more educated take could be gleamed from other youtube sources.
I was a “fan” of his for many many years. but when he came out and said hes going to start banning people for questioning the info presented in the video for them “blaming” the board manufacrtures more so atleast thats how it appeared so I became upset because thats just censorship at that point. I wasn’t banned by them or even commented about any of this on there site or youtube video. I’m just not happy to see a youtuber i use to consider nice turn in such a wrong direction even more so
The problem isn’t that he has a different take, nor do I think he’s intentionally participating in a conspiracy. The problem is how he responds to being questioned about his take. Immediate “you’re just objectively wrong if you disagree” and censorship. And this isn’t a single occurrence, it’s a pattern repeated literally EVERY TIME he does/says something questionable. Oh and the gaslighting. Pretty mild in this particular case, but Linus’s description of Wendell’s involvement implies much more than what the post above yours says of “I helped answer questions for their writer.” And that was used as the justification to say anyone questioning his blame of mobo manufacturers “don’t know what they are talking about” and shadow ban them.
