No Ethernet in Ubuntu on WRX90

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Having a heck of a time trying to get Ubuntu up and running on my newly built workstation. Windows 11 installed without issue, everything functions as expected. I plan to spend a lot of time on Linux as well, so was planning to install Ubuntu 24.04 on a separate SSD. However, the Ubuntu installer didn’t recognize either of the onboard NICs (Intel X710). I decided to boot an existing 22.04 install in case something broke in 24.04, but same issue; lspci shows both NICs, but ip link show doesn’t.

But it gets weirder. I installed an Intel X540 PCIe card I had from a different workstation, specifically the one I pulled the Ubuntu 22.04 install from (where it had clearly been working for the better part of a year). But again, no dice; now I have three NICs in lspci (the two X710s and the single X540) that don’t appear in ip link show. Booting back into Windows 11 and all 3 NICs function (show up in Network Manager, get an IP, can sustain 10Gbps, etc).

I’ve found a couple other threads (links removed, account’s too new to link them) indicating that other people are having problems with X710 NICs on Ubuntu specifically. What I’m wondering is: does anyone on here have (or know of) a WRX90 board running Ubuntu with functioning Ethernet, and if so, what (if anything) did you need to do to get it working? I’d really prefer to keep running Ubuntu, but I’d prefer even more to keep this board, so if anyone is running any other distros (that ideally actually have functioning Ethernet) that could also be a useful datapoint.

Full specs in case it matters:

  • ASRock WRX90
  • Threadripper Pro 7975WX
  • 8x Kingston 32GB 5600MHz DDR5
  • AMD 6950XT
  • 2x Corsair HX1500i
  • ASUS Hyper M.2 5.0 PCIe Card
  • 4x M.2 4.0 SSDs (2x Samsung 980 Pro 1TB, 1x WD SN850 1TB, 1x WD SN850 4TB)
  • 1x M.2 5.0 SSD (Crucial T705 2TB)

Obligatory build pics

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Output of lspci

Output of dmesg

Likely missing firmware first guess since you say ot shows in output of lspci

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lspci -vvv for the X710 controller (shows being bound to the i40e kernel module):

04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Controller X710 for 10GBASE-T (rev 02)
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Ethernet Controller X710 for 10GBASE-T
	Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 72
	IOMMU group: 49
	Region 0: Memory at <ignored> (64-bit, prefetchable) [disabled]
	Region 3: Memory at <ignored> (64-bit, prefetchable) [disabled]
	Expansion ROM at f4a80000 [disabled] [size=512K]
	Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
		Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+)
		Status: D0 NoSoftRst+ PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=1 PME-
	Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable+ 64bit+
		Address: 0000000000000000  Data: 0000
		Masking: 00000000  Pending: 00000000
	Capabilities: [70] MSI-X: Enable- Count=129 Masked-
		Vector table: BAR=3 offset=00000000
		PBA: BAR=3 offset=00001000
	Capabilities: [a0] Express (v2) Endpoint, MSI 00
		DevCap:	MaxPayload 2048 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s <512ns, L1 <64us
			ExtTag+ AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE+ FLReset+ SlotPowerLimit 0.000W
		DevCtl:	CorrErr+ NonFatalErr+ FatalErr+ UnsupReq-
			RlxdOrd+ ExtTag+ PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop- FLReset-
			MaxPayload 512 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes
		DevSta:	CorrErr+ NonFatalErr- FatalErr- UnsupReq+ AuxPwr- TransPend-
		LnkCap:	Port #0, Speed 8GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 <16us
			ClockPM- Surprise- LLActRep- BwNot- ASPMOptComp+
		LnkCtl:	ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes, Disabled- CommClk+
			ExtSynch- ClockPM- AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt-
		LnkSta:	Speed 8GT/s (ok), Width x4 (ok)
			TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ DLActive- BWMgmt- ABWMgmt-
		DevCap2: Completion Timeout: Range ABCD, TimeoutDis+ NROPrPrP- LTR-
			 10BitTagComp- 10BitTagReq- OBFF Not Supported, ExtFmt- EETLPPrefix-
			 EmergencyPowerReduction Not Supported, EmergencyPowerReductionInit-
			 FRS- TPHComp- ExtTPHComp-
		DevCtl2: Completion Timeout: 50us to 50ms, TimeoutDis- LTR- OBFF Disabled,
			 AtomicOpsCtl: ReqEn-
		LnkCap2: Supported Link Speeds: 2.5-8GT/s, Crosslink- Retimer- 2Retimers- DRS-
		LnkCtl2: Target Link Speed: 2.5GT/s, EnterCompliance- SpeedDis-
			 Transmit Margin: Normal Operating Range, EnterModifiedCompliance- ComplianceSOS-
			 Compliance De-emphasis: -6dB
		LnkSta2: Current De-emphasis Level: -6dB, EqualizationComplete+ EqualizationPhase1+
			 EqualizationPhase2+ EqualizationPhase3+ LinkEqualizationRequest-
			 Retimer- 2Retimers- CrosslinkRes: unsupported
	Capabilities: [e0] Vital Product Data
		Product Name: Example VPD
		Read-only fields:
			[V0] Vendor specific: 
			[RV] Reserved: checksum good, 0 byte(s) reserved
		End
	Capabilities: [100 v2] Advanced Error Reporting
		UESta:	DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq+ ACSViol-
		UEMsk:	DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq+ ACSViol-
		UESvrt:	DLP+ SDES+ TLP- FCP+ CmpltTO+ CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt+ RxOF+ MalfTLP+ ECRC+ UnsupReq- ACSViol-
		CESta:	RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- AdvNonFatalErr+
		CEMsk:	RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- AdvNonFatalErr-
		AERCap:	First Error Pointer: 00, ECRCGenCap+ ECRCGenEn- ECRCChkCap+ ECRCChkEn-
			MultHdrRecCap- MultHdrRecEn- TLPPfxPres- HdrLogCap-
		HeaderLog: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	Capabilities: [140 v1] Device Serial Number b0-30-57-ff-ff-00-6b-9c
	Capabilities: [150 v1] Alternative Routing-ID Interpretation (ARI)
		ARICap:	MFVC- ACS-, Next Function: 1
		ARICtl:	MFVC- ACS-, Function Group: 0
	Capabilities: [160 v1] Single Root I/O Virtualization (SR-IOV)
		IOVCap:	Migration-, Interrupt Message Number: 000
		IOVCtl:	Enable- Migration- Interrupt- MSE- ARIHierarchy+
		IOVSta:	Migration-
		Initial VFs: 64, Total VFs: 64, Number of VFs: 0, Function Dependency Link: 00
		VF offset: 16, stride: 1, Device ID: 154c
		Supported Page Size: 00000553, System Page Size: 00000001
		Region 0: Memory at 0000000000000000 (64-bit, prefetchable)
		Region 3: Memory at 0000000000000000 (64-bit, prefetchable)
		VF Migration: offset: 00000000, BIR: 0
	Capabilities: [1a0 v1] Transaction Processing Hints
		Device specific mode supported
		No steering table available
	Capabilities: [1b0 v1] Access Control Services
		ACSCap:	SrcValid- TransBlk- ReqRedir- CmpltRedir- UpstreamFwd- EgressCtrl- DirectTrans-
		ACSCtl:	SrcValid- TransBlk- ReqRedir- CmpltRedir- UpstreamFwd- EgressCtrl- DirectTrans-
	Capabilities: [1d0 v1] Secondary PCI Express
		LnkCtl3: LnkEquIntrruptEn- PerformEqu-
		LaneErrStat: 0
	Kernel modules: i40e

04:00.1 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Controller X710 for 10GBASE-T (rev 02)
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Ethernet Controller X710 for 10GBASE-T
	Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 73
	IOMMU group: 50
	Region 0: Memory at <ignored> (64-bit, prefetchable) [disabled]
	Region 3: Memory at <ignored> (64-bit, prefetchable) [disabled]
	Expansion ROM at f4a00000 [disabled] [size=512K]
	Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
		Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+)
		Status: D0 NoSoftRst+ PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=1 PME-
	Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable+ 64bit+
		Address: 0000000000000000  Data: 0000
		Masking: 00000000  Pending: 00000000
	Capabilities: [70] MSI-X: Enable- Count=129 Masked-
		Vector table: BAR=3 offset=00000000
		PBA: BAR=3 offset=00001000
	Capabilities: [a0] Express (v2) Endpoint, MSI 00
		DevCap:	MaxPayload 2048 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s <512ns, L1 <64us
			ExtTag+ AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE+ FLReset+ SlotPowerLimit 0.000W
		DevCtl:	CorrErr+ NonFatalErr+ FatalErr+ UnsupReq-
			RlxdOrd+ ExtTag+ PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop- FLReset-
			MaxPayload 512 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes
		DevSta:	CorrErr+ NonFatalErr- FatalErr- UnsupReq+ AuxPwr- TransPend-
		LnkCap:	Port #0, Speed 8GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 <16us
			ClockPM- Surprise- LLActRep- BwNot- ASPMOptComp+
		LnkCtl:	ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes, Disabled- CommClk+
			ExtSynch- ClockPM- AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt-
		LnkSta:	Speed 8GT/s (ok), Width x4 (ok)
			TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ DLActive- BWMgmt- ABWMgmt-
		DevCap2: Completion Timeout: Range ABCD, TimeoutDis+ NROPrPrP- LTR-
			 10BitTagComp- 10BitTagReq- OBFF Not Supported, ExtFmt- EETLPPrefix-
			 EmergencyPowerReduction Not Supported, EmergencyPowerReductionInit-
			 FRS- TPHComp- ExtTPHComp-
		DevCtl2: Completion Timeout: 50us to 50ms, TimeoutDis- LTR- OBFF Disabled,
			 AtomicOpsCtl: ReqEn-
		LnkSta2: Current De-emphasis Level: -6dB, EqualizationComplete- EqualizationPhase1-
			 EqualizationPhase2- EqualizationPhase3- LinkEqualizationRequest-
			 Retimer- 2Retimers- CrosslinkRes: unsupported
	Capabilities: [e0] Vital Product Data
		Product Name: Example VPD
		Read-only fields:
			[V0] Vendor specific: 
			[RV] Reserved: checksum good, 0 byte(s) reserved
		End
	Capabilities: [100 v2] Advanced Error Reporting
		UESta:	DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq+ ACSViol-
		UEMsk:	DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq+ ACSViol-
		UESvrt:	DLP+ SDES+ TLP- FCP+ CmpltTO+ CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt+ RxOF+ MalfTLP+ ECRC+ UnsupReq- ACSViol-
		CESta:	RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- AdvNonFatalErr+
		CEMsk:	RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- AdvNonFatalErr-
		AERCap:	First Error Pointer: 00, ECRCGenCap+ ECRCGenEn- ECRCChkCap+ ECRCChkEn-
			MultHdrRecCap- MultHdrRecEn- TLPPfxPres- HdrLogCap-
		HeaderLog: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	Capabilities: [140 v1] Device Serial Number b0-30-57-ff-ff-00-6b-9c
	Capabilities: [150 v1] Alternative Routing-ID Interpretation (ARI)
		ARICap:	MFVC- ACS-, Next Function: 0
		ARICtl:	MFVC- ACS-, Function Group: 0
	Capabilities: [160 v1] Single Root I/O Virtualization (SR-IOV)
		IOVCap:	Migration-, Interrupt Message Number: 000
		IOVCtl:	Enable- Migration- Interrupt- MSE- ARIHierarchy-
		IOVSta:	Migration-
		Initial VFs: 64, Total VFs: 64, Number of VFs: 0, Function Dependency Link: 01
		VF offset: 79, stride: 1, Device ID: 154c
		Supported Page Size: 00000553, System Page Size: 00000001
		Region 0: Memory at 0000000000000000 (64-bit, prefetchable)
		Region 3: Memory at 0000000000000000 (64-bit, prefetchable)
		VF Migration: offset: 00000000, BIR: 0
	Capabilities: [1a0 v1] Transaction Processing Hints
		Device specific mode supported
		No steering table available
	Capabilities: [1b0 v1] Access Control Services
		ACSCap:	SrcValid- TransBlk- ReqRedir- CmpltRedir- UpstreamFwd- EgressCtrl- DirectTrans-
		ACSCtl:	SrcValid- TransBlk- ReqRedir- CmpltRedir- UpstreamFwd- EgressCtrl- DirectTrans-
	Kernel modules: i40e

And for the X540 card, which also shows being bound (to ixgbe this time):

aa:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Controller X540 (rev 01)
	Subsystem: Beijing Sinead Technology Co., Ltd. Ethernet Controller X540
	Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 645
	IOMMU group: 32
	Region 0: Memory at <ignored> (64-bit, prefetchable)
	Region 4: Memory at d0980000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=16K]
	Expansion ROM at d0900000 [disabled] [size=512K]
	Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
		Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+)
		Status: D0 NoSoftRst- PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=1 PME-
	Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable+ 64bit+
		Address: 0000000000000000  Data: 0000
		Masking: 00000000  Pending: 00000000
	Capabilities: [70] MSI-X: Enable- Count=64 Masked-
		Vector table: BAR=4 offset=00000000
		PBA: BAR=4 offset=00002000
	Capabilities: [a0] Express (v2) Endpoint, MSI 00
		DevCap:	MaxPayload 512 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s <512ns, L1 <64us
			ExtTag- AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE+ FLReset+ SlotPowerLimit 0.000W
		DevCtl:	CorrErr+ NonFatalErr+ FatalErr+ UnsupReq-
			RlxdOrd+ ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop+ FLReset-
			MaxPayload 512 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes
		DevSta:	CorrErr+ NonFatalErr- FatalErr- UnsupReq+ AuxPwr+ TransPend-
		LnkCap:	Port #0, Speed 5GT/s, Width x8, ASPM L0s L1, Exit Latency L0s <1us, L1 <8us
			ClockPM- Surprise- LLActRep- BwNot- ASPMOptComp+
		LnkCtl:	ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes, Disabled- CommClk+
			ExtSynch- ClockPM- AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt-
		LnkSta:	Speed 5GT/s (ok), Width x8 (ok)
			TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ DLActive- BWMgmt- ABWMgmt-
		DevCap2: Completion Timeout: Range ABCD, TimeoutDis+ NROPrPrP- LTR-
			 10BitTagComp- 10BitTagReq- OBFF Not Supported, ExtFmt- EETLPPrefix-
			 EmergencyPowerReduction Not Supported, EmergencyPowerReductionInit-
			 FRS- TPHComp- ExtTPHComp-
			 AtomicOpsCap: 32bit- 64bit- 128bitCAS-
		DevCtl2: Completion Timeout: 50us to 50ms, TimeoutDis- LTR- OBFF Disabled,
			 AtomicOpsCtl: ReqEn-
		LnkCtl2: Target Link Speed: 5GT/s, EnterCompliance- SpeedDis-
			 Transmit Margin: Normal Operating Range, EnterModifiedCompliance- ComplianceSOS-
			 Compliance De-emphasis: -6dB
		LnkSta2: Current De-emphasis Level: -6dB, EqualizationComplete- EqualizationPhase1-
			 EqualizationPhase2- EqualizationPhase3- LinkEqualizationRequest-
			 Retimer- 2Retimers- CrosslinkRes: unsupported
	Capabilities: [100 v2] Advanced Error Reporting
		UESta:	DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq+ ACSViol-
		UEMsk:	DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq+ ACSViol-
		UESvrt:	DLP+ SDES+ TLP- FCP+ CmpltTO+ CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt+ RxOF+ MalfTLP+ ECRC+ UnsupReq- ACSViol-
		CESta:	RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- AdvNonFatalErr+
		CEMsk:	RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- AdvNonFatalErr-
		AERCap:	First Error Pointer: 00, ECRCGenCap+ ECRCGenEn- ECRCChkCap+ ECRCChkEn-
			MultHdrRecCap- MultHdrRecEn- TLPPfxPres- HdrLogCap-
		HeaderLog: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	Capabilities: [150 v1] Alternative Routing-ID Interpretation (ARI)
		ARICap:	MFVC- ACS-, Next Function: 0
		ARICtl:	MFVC- ACS-, Function Group: 0
	Capabilities: [160 v1] Single Root I/O Virtualization (SR-IOV)
		IOVCap:	Migration-, Interrupt Message Number: 000
		IOVCtl:	Enable- Migration- Interrupt- MSE- ARIHierarchy+
		IOVSta:	Migration-
		Initial VFs: 64, Total VFs: 64, Number of VFs: 0, Function Dependency Link: 00
		VF offset: 128, stride: 2, Device ID: 1515
		Supported Page Size: 00000553, System Page Size: 00000001
		Region 0: Memory at 0000000000000000 (64-bit, prefetchable)
		Region 3: Memory at 0000000000000000 (64-bit, prefetchable)
		VF Migration: offset: 00000000, BIR: 0
	Capabilities: [1d0 v1] Access Control Services
		ACSCap:	SrcValid- TransBlk- ReqRedir- CmpltRedir- UpstreamFwd- EgressCtrl- DirectTrans-
		ACSCtl:	SrcValid- TransBlk- ReqRedir- CmpltRedir- UpstreamFwd- EgressCtrl- DirectTrans-
	Kernel modules: ixgbe

dmesg is interesting. Here are the snips of the kernel loading the i40e driver, then the ixgbe driver:

...
[    1.493764] i40e: Intel(R) Ethernet Connection XL710 Network Driver
[    1.493766] i40e: Copyright (c) 2013 - 2019 Intel Corporation.
[    1.493986] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
[    1.493991] hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[    1.494027] i40e 0000:04:00.0: Cannot map registers, bar size 0x0 too small, aborting
[    1.494038] nvme nvme0: pci function 0000:a9:00.0
[    1.494096] i40e: probe of 0000:04:00.0 failed with error -12
[    1.494320] i40e 0000:04:00.1: Cannot map registers, bar size 0x0 too small, aborting
[    1.494332] nvme nvme1: pci function 0000:01:00.0
[    1.494406] ahci 0000:25:00.0: version 3.0
[    1.494452] i40e: probe of 0000:04:00.1 failed with error -12
...
[    4.016763] ixgbe: Intel(R) 10 Gigabit PCI Express Network Driver
[    4.016765] ixgbe: Copyright (c) 1999-2016 Intel Corporation.
[    4.016820] ixgbe 0000:aa:00.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
[    4.016992] ixgbe: probe of 0000:aa:00.0 failed with error -5
...

Full lspci and dmesg. There’s a thread on the intel support forum where the “solution” ended up being to move the card to a different slot - not too feasible when the controller’s built in to the motherboard, I don’t think.

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you can probably do pci=realloc or or one of the other pci= kernel commands and overcome this, glad its not missing firmware.

this can usually be fixed with a bios update too, but a kernel parameter is probably all you need. Do you have the latest bios? You can also try disabling the usb4/thunderbolt which frees loads of bar space.

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Yep, latest BIOS (5.01). pci=reallloc unfortunately made no difference. Bit of a long shot but disabling REBAR made no difference either - but enabling SR-IOV did! I didn’t try disabling USB4/thunderbolt (couldn’t find an entry in BIOS to do so) so I can’t confirm whether that would work around the issue, but with SR-IOV enabled the NICs work great:

$ ip addr
...
2: enp4s0f0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 9c:6b:00:57:30:b0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 192.168.100.100/24 metric 100 brd 192.168.100.255 scope global dynamic enp4s0f0
       valid_lft 7117sec preferred_lft 7117sec
    inet6 fe80::9e6b:ff:fe57:30b0/64 scope link
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
3: enp4s0f1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 9c:6b:00:57:30:b1 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
4: enp170s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 80:61:5f:08:a0:be brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
...

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

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