LTT 1 month Linux Challenge thread

Linus is a troll basically. Every task add a 3G video and must be completed in 7 seconds.

Toss around a 3G video in windows spaces linus !

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I havent read the last 60-or-so replies, but I’m just gonna throw this in here:

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I watched that reaction, some good stuff, kinda wish he had watched the parts that Luke did too just to see the contrast between user types.

We should make sure the experience of people coming from Windows to Linux is less shit.

…Fanboying KDE Plasma… like shitting on GNOME.

…I should swear less, this video is going to get demonetized otherwise.

Not sure what your point is. The KDE dev spoke respectful and was very calm during the whole time. To put the quotes into context for people who haven’t watched (paraphrasing a little) “I don’t like it when people are fanboying KDE Plasma and go everywhere online and criticize other projects, like shitting on GNOME […] GNOME is a good DE. I am not using it, because it doesn’t fit my use case, but the desktop is solid, GNOME Team has done a wonderful job on it and I wouldn’t just want GNOME to disappear, which is what the people criticizing it seem to want.” Not really his words, but that’s basically what the KDE dev said.

The experience he was talking about was KDE Plasma’s UX, not changing the whole Linux ecosystem. He obviously is still in favor of multiple desktops, environments and window managers and stuff. What he was saying is that he wants KDE Plasma to be intuitive for Windows users as well, without bringing the familiarity of Windows to Plasma, but making Plasma intuitive enough to use that a Windows user wouldn’t need to use his previous knowledge / familiarity of Windows to navigate Plasma. He mentioned that just because Windows does stuff in a certain way is not a good argument for copying how Windows does stuff (not sure if he is familiar with logical fallacies, but he was pointing out that this is basically argumentum ad populum).

My point is YouTube has come to this point where it’s starting a chilling effect. Not about what he said. Every creator under contract is too tied to the rules now.

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KDE is much better for newcomers than gnome

the way of using it is way too different

and xfce for XP lovers

Oh, 100% agree. In fact, I adore the “edgy” tubers, who just don’t care about getting demonetized or banned, because they have mailing lists, peertube instances or websites where they are being followed. I love the ones who don’t care about monetization in the first place even more, but those are a rarity and usually they are kinda small.

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I’ve liked watching the Linux challenge episodes. LTT exposed me to an option I wasn’t aware existed. It wasn’t that I’ve never heard of it, but that I could be a “starting” user of Linux. The reaction videos have also been helpful in hearing and understanding the words being used. I was being pelted with a lot of terms that if I had to stop and lookup each time, I would never get anywhere.

The challenge has really pushed me into looking for exposure to Linux and hopefully a first install and attempt really soon. Big choice: Which one?

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Its not really a big choice as you can download and try them all for free. Just pick one that you think looks good. These days I would recommend Ubuntu or one of its derivatives (Ubuntu Mate or Kubuntu), which ever looks good to you but please choose the LTS version for now so installing steam wouldnt be weird. If you dont use steam, any should be fine

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Also use the 460.91.03 Nvidia driver because the 470.xx series has OpenGL oddities like VLC and MPV crashing on exit, which still remains unsolved.

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As regulareel mentioned, if you don’t use Steam, Ubuntu Mate. Otherwise, Pop!_OS. Despite Linus’ bad experience, the issue was fixed fast (and again, it was part Linus’ fault for not updating his OS first thing, which you should keep and mind and have your OS updated) and Pop!_OS is a good start for beginners.

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I like vanilla Ubuntu myself, the Gnome-based interface is just so polished it is incredible. Ubuntu 20.04 is one of the best Steam distros if you have an AMD system (cannot vouch for Nvidia unfortunately).

Regardless what you choose, always remember that your distro is but a starting point. Think of distros like houses/apartments in the vast city of Linux, some are more remote and more difficult to get to than others (Arch) and some are pretty much empty lots of land (Linux From Scratch). Now, empty lots are useful for certain people (especially DIYers and tinkerers) but most just want a house to live in.

Arch is like that two-story building that stood for 100 years but always need the odd maintenance job, always something broken in there somehow. Manjaro is like Arch but they already redid the plumbing necessary to install modern stuff.

Ubuntu & friends are like a 4 room apartments in the Ubuntu complex, Windows would be a nice downtown apartment hotel in the Microsoft block and MacOS would be the penthouse on Plaza Hotel. Freakin’ expensive but man oh man the experience…

No matter where you live though, you can always modify your place of living to whatever you want. Unlike the Microsoft block you own the property rights to your house. :slight_smile:

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Ubuntu all you deal with is a mailman that delivers and receives mail for diagnostic purposes. And you can say no to that.

This isn’t really a problem or an issue, more of a curiosity but has anyone else found that Ryzen’s boost characteristics are different in Linux than in Windows? I’d expected this to be determined by the motherboard and so would be OS agnostic but in Windows default temperature and power limits would have all core loads settle on 3.8GHz and the temperature would settle on the low to mid 70s Celsius. All-core workloads in Linux are holding 4.0GHz and temperatures are settling on about 81 C.

I’ve also found Linux to be much better at balancing simultaneous multicore workloads. On Windows I had to manually give OBS and games their own cores to play with otherwise I get horrendous stutter in both, but I haven’t had to do that with with Linux (which is a good thing, because I still haven’t worked out how to reliably do that for workloads that will happily max all cores such as handbrake)

THE FINAL PART:

The Raccoon Review:

Honestly, I don’t blame them for feeling left out with the social pressure Luke endured as I basically had that pretty much constantly with my brother until I gave him Windows 10 2004 AME. (Finally solved EAC problems with War Thunder, and allowed him to play COD: Warzone)

The “SLI jitteriness” is par for the course of Nvidia OpenGL support and Unity OpenGL support. Devs need to seriously switch to Vulkan, but you know what happened last time I said -force-vulkan on “Getting Over It with Bennett Foddy”? It hard crashed the entire system never to render the desktop environment ever again, and this was with MangoHUD as a frame limiter. Unity Vulkan support doesn’t exist. It’s literally a crapshoot if you try to run a game using Vulkan on Unity because not even Unity themselves test it for stability.

That was an extremely important point that developers were not going to take the “native Linux” cake if 100% of bug reports were from Linux, and their time and money was not worth a 0.1% market share, hence why Proton exists. But this is also why most toggles for Anti-cheat just won’t be bothered with, and you’re better off with a customized VFIO instance. (Edit: I am being informed that this portion of the video was debunked as FUD a while ago, also a good thread on thoughts here: Thread by @shanefagan on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App)

Mod creators without cross platform mindsets is another thing that will really hamper the experience. In the XNA and FNA communities this is less of an issue, but for other games, mod support is pretty much provided as is with no support.

EXCELLENT point that ProtonDB needs both a overall score and a “more recent reports” score. Nobody that just looks at the score presented is going to dig through reports to see if it still holds up.

I fully agree, the year of the Linux Desktop for gaming is NOT here. The closest you can get without counting VFIO’s own anti-cheat issues is to just spin up a Windows VM for those special snowflake launchers like Ubisoft, EA, and Battlenet. There’s still nagging issues like Hat in Time becoming unstable over time and one unsolved Crash Bandicoot NST issue that make me just want to spin up a Windows VM instead of using Proton. In fact, all Unreal Engine 4 games with Media Foundation are only supported if you are directly in contact with the devs of something like Proton GE (and if they deem you an annoyance, you could be banned over personal reasons from a issue tracker. *ahemdiscordserverahem*)

I think Wendell should update VFIO guides with a Nvidia and LTS centric view, as I’m not a fan of Fedora and the rolling release thing especially since the 470 drivers from Nvidia have unresolved issues. No, this does not mean using Pop!_OS. This just means how do I get from point A to B from a Vanilla Ubuntu or Kubuntu install?

What this teaches is to double down on VFIO. As Wendell said before, VFIO is a lot better than trying to do stuff natively for now.

2:07 onwards in this video is very relevant to anyone who has just completed the series:

And here’s the PopOS WIP thread:

On Ubuntu you don’t deal with systemd boot, but on Pop you do.

(Disclaimer: haven’t watched it yet)

I feel like the title is a little misleading (but again, probably intended because Engagement).

IMO Linux is very much ready, been doing it for years, but there are exceptions of course, namely everything with Anticheats and that should hopefully change over time.

That being said, the same is also true for Windows, especially when you look more at older/retro games. When you try to run some 10+ year old games on Windows, you will often run into situations where they don’t install or run properly. And the ironic part about that is that they often run better under Wine.
If you have a game with SecuROM you can just forget about it on Windows, but it’ll run completely fine on Linux. Just one of many things that can go wrong.

edit:
commenting as I go…
“Luke and I avoided specifically seeking out titles that would either validate the Linux gaming experience, or intentionally make it look bad”
First game pick: BF 2042, a game that is known not to work because of known restrictions on EAC.
I mean :thinking:
I get what they’re trying to convey here, I just found it funny.
And yea, it is frustrating when you have friends you wanna play with and can’t. I started playing Apex a couple months ago and can’t play it on PC either, but luckily I’m actually rather enjoying the console version and if need be there’s actually cross-play, so whatever.

The rest seems rather fair. One note on Linus’ experience with Supreme Commander Forged Alliance… there is a script on Lutris that installs the Forged Alliance Forever stuff, and that is regularly maintained, by their devs… soo why is he looking for random guides (again!).
He’s the type of guy that makes it hard for himself because he looks for his own solutions first instead of just using what’s already there…
And also the “not applicable to my particular distro” I mean… has he actually tried it? Just because it was tested on Xfce doesn’t mean it doesn’t run on KDE…

Overall I think Luke sums it up fairly well, it’s not a one-click-and-go kinda deal, but that’s not to say it’s not possible. It requires some preparation at times.

I just wish they had done the Challenge after the Steam Deck launch to include all the (hopefully?) positive developments especially in the Anti-Cheat department.

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My problem are the teething issues that continue to be issues now making me seriously reconsider VFIO. Media Foundation patches for Wine just dumps video files directly into RAM and never lets it go. With a title that uses a lot of videos, you run into quite a bad memory leak situation. Then there are UE4 titles that crash as soon as the second of the 2 videos you’ve loaded in a session is finished.

What works great though are Unity titles in Proton with a 8 core processor like Subnautica and Subnautica: Below Zero. (For some reason Unity does not like high core count processors)

Oh the irony of this paragraph :joy::ok_hand: