Linux?

Operating Systems & Open Source Linux
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well when i first thought of linux and os like that i thought of command lines and things like that and no hui at all but then once i first daul boot my pc i got a better understanding of linux but at the point i tried linux out it didnt appeal to me bc it didnt have alot of games on steam and they were buggy in wine and they still are but it feels like we are getting closer to a goal we all can agree with which is a free os that can completely replace other os's such as windows and mac.

Although i have been looking into this more and have realized more of the games i play have came to linux except one and im probably gonna get a lot of hate for which game this is and its league of legends but i am hoping roit will port it over to linux bc they have it on mac now so how much more do they need to do to get it over to linux right? 

but one thing that is still holding me back from fully switching to linux is video editing i dont want to give up my adobe premiere and i was wondering if the video editor are relible enough for me to switch over to linux os and nothing but linux

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I believe you've already answered your own question: you don't want to give up Adobe Premiere, and to be honest, if I were a videographer, I would probably also use Premiere and After Effects. I don't do video but I do a lot of photography, and until last weekend, I used to keep Windows on my laptop just to be able to use Adobe Lightroom on location, because it didn't run so well in wine. I've been using linux as main OS for 17 years now, and I actually got a copy of Windows just for running Lightroom on my laptop, as I only had one Windows install for games on my desktop, and all my other machines were linux only, and I used Digikam for photo editing in linux at that time, but Lightroom was just such a great product when it came out that saved a lot of time, that it was worth getting Windows for. Now I got lucky with wine 1.6 and with Darktable 1.2.2, which both offer a really good solution and then some for my problem, so I don't need Windows anymore, and I'm sure that, over time, there will be a solution for premiere+after effects also, but that's sadly not the case right now. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with getting the right tool for the job, and if Windows is the right tool for the job, than that's what you should use in my opinion. It's the result that counts.

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There are alternatives for Linux, but not at the level windows or better still mac can give you, Adobe and Office are really the last 2 things keeping windows alive. the day Adobe ports perfectly to Linux, windows will loose a massive base, and to be rather honest Libre Office does a better job than Office 2013 will do, last good version of office was 98...

Stay on windows for video editing the programs you use for what ever you edit. some games are over on linux and they are blazing fast in FPS terms, thanks to no DX, ive moved back to windows, although with the update from Zoltan about adobe alts and wine, im tempted to move back over.

JUST PLEASE ADOBE PUT YOUR STUFF ON LINUX!! put another nail in MS coffin.. Or bring back 98 :P

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Adobe and Office are really the last 2 things keeping windows alive

Haha, no.

the day Adobe ports perfectly to Linux, windows will loose a massive base

And again, nope.

and to be rather honest Libre Office does a better job than Office 2013 will do, last good version of office was 98...

Adobe and Office are really the last 2 things keeping windows alive

Ah yes.

JUST PLEASE ADOBE PUT YOUR STUFF ON LINUX!!

Yeah, like, you know, with flash. What a success story.

put another nail in MS coffin

Not going to happen.

 

Windows is not kept alive because it's better or because compatabillity or security or support or anything. It's because it's preinstalled on 90% of all PCs. And this is not going to change because $$$.

I'm always happy if there is new software which can run on gnu/linux but to be honest, I'd rather use a free tool instead of a proprietary one, even if it is harder to do things with it.

For video editing there now is Lightworks and soon Novacut, for 3d stuff there is blender, for photo/image editing there is gimp (and hell it is good but people still are bitching about it because they don't understand or don't care to understand), for photos there is darktable, for office there is libre office and for audio production there is audacity, ardour and renoise. Those are all free software and some of it is superior to the propritary counterparts. The only damn reason why it isn't used is because it is not the "idustry standard" or not compatible with the "industry standard". Those "industry standards" are just some kind of monopoly which evolved because big players sarted using proprietary crap which has proprietary file formats and proprietary exchange mechanics so that no other program can work with those programs. And because those programs can't work together with the "industry standard" (which is not their fault but a wanted state of proprietary software companies to make money) they are dismissed and deemed as bad/inferior.

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I have to agree with Wicked on this one. Windows is preinstalled on most machines when they arrive. Most users will just use a system as it is when it arrives. Not everyone is a computer wizz, most people just use a product as it comes.

GNU/Linux and Windows are worlds apart. When I fire up Windows, I get the impression that the only message that endlessly pops up is "Go fuck yourself, stupid user!", but most people get the same impression from using GNU/Linux. And GNU/Linux will never be a consumer operating system, not with the GNU/GPL license that sticks to the code. That's why there are things like Android (AL2.0) or Mir (AL2.0), that break the GPL chain to facilitate monetizing and locking down software developed for those systems. In Android, Dalvik performs much slower than Java SE Embedded, but that would not be able to bridge the gap between the GNU/GPL linux kernel and a closed source application space that still leverages the powerful assets of the open source dev community, just like Mir is not as good an architecture as Wayland+Weston, but it bridges that gap.

And there will always be a reaction from the FOSS-Community, like Cyanogenmod, Tizen, Firefox OS, or even Replicant, and F-Droid. And people that know why, will maybe use these instead of Android and PlayStore, but people that don't, will not be interested at all. I have uninstalled Gapps, PlayStore, and anything else that is not GNU/GPL on one of my phones and on my tablets, and I've flashed them with Replicant and Cyanogenmod, and only use F-Droid and sideloaded apps I made myself or modified GPL apps, and it works just as well as Android with Gapps and PlayStore, and for my use even better, but most people think I'm crazy to use software that in their view does exactly the same as it did with the standard preloaded Android and PlayStore. But I actually have more free time than people that would do the same on a closed platform, because once you have the knowledge, it's easy, and you adapt the device to what you already know and how you work, instead of having to learn how the device wants you to use it, and find workarounds for the things the device doesn't do because it's locked down. But for most people, the device still does exactly the same, they see no difference.

And that's what GNU/Linux does for most people, it does exactly the same than Windows. And to be honest, even though it's untrue and unfair, that's quite plausible for those people, because I myself was not per se immensely frustrated using Windows for just games and Lightroom as such (now only for games), it worked and did what it said on the box. What bugged me is that I had to allow Windows to eat up most of my expensive SSD space for nothing, just to be able to run Lightroom, which I don't really use for core professional purposes, so basically the math was: Lightroom 3, 400 USD, 80 GB of SSD for just running a <10 MB program, 120 USD, Windows 7, 100 USD, that's a total cost of 620 USD just to be able to run Lightroom, which is not a necessary means of production for me, so it's just for fun basically? That's more than some lenses for my camera! Compare that to Darktable, which is free, GNU/Linux, which is free and runs all my professional productivity software anyway, and takes less than 5 GB of SSD space for the operating system with all the application software on it, so a total investment of what, 20 MB of SSD space, which is like a few cents... yeah, makes much more sense for a hobby!

We actually had a barbecue party recently to celebrate the fact that we had no more closed source software tainted machines on our office LAN in our main office, but seriously, how many people would think that is a big deal worth throwing a party over... most would just think we need a shrink.

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Linux will never become a legitmate consumer OS choice until it gets backing from a large corporation.

Ubuntu is great for a general use PC but it just lacks support from major companies both on the hardware and software side.

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This on the other hand is wrong, too. GNU/Linux is already a "legitimate consumer OS" the problem is that John Doe doesn't have a chioce when he buys a new computer because Mircosoft is using their monoply and legal bribes to force OEM's to ship with windows. If there was a law like the one that Microsoft has to give the user the coice to install another browser in the EU but with OEM's having to give the constumer chioce about the OS they want or if it was illegal for MS to bribe the OEM's, the GNU/Linux market share would rise significantly.

Ubuntu is great for a general use PC but it just lacks support from major companies both on the hardware and software side.

Haven't used Ubuntu for a long time, have you?

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I have it installed on my main PC now lol but that was mostly out of boredom

The reason I don't consider it to be a legitmate consumer OS is because I can't use it by itself. When you don't have to dual boot with Windows to play games or use an emulator to run your favorite programs not available on Linux then it'll be a legitmate choice for the average consumer. But that's not going to happen unless a large company (like Google) backs the OS.

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^^ This. This is the main reason that people dont use linux. Anyone that knows a half decent amount about technology would switch to linux if not for this. 

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Nope. Absolutely not. It's only guys like you who see linux as inferior competition.

You don't have to dual boot, you don't have to use an not-emulator. Your problem is that you *think* that you need some software you're used to. It's because you *think* you know how something should behave, because you *think* you know how a computer works. And the only thing you really know is how to use Windows. You're a prisoner of the Windows ecosystem and are unwilling to brake out of it.

The average consumer is not locked in like you and doesn't have to brake out.

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Anyone who knows a half decent amount about technology would switch to linux now.

Anyone who cares a half decent amount about privacy would switch to linux now.

Anyone who...

This is somewhat dumb, isn't it?

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No matter how you "Think" With linux, it wont grant you the ability to run all of the games in your steam library. 

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As I said somewhere else several times: you have a perfectly good PC with hardware parts that you've bought and you've assembled the whole thing with love and pride, then WHY THE FUCKING HELL would you slap Windows NT on it and downgrade it to a console???????? It's a computer, it can do computing stuff, it's not limited to using apps you can buy or consuming prechewed commercial entertainment, it's actually a pretty powerful machine that you can use as a tool to do useful stuff that makes money instead of costing money. There is no comparison between Windows and a computing operating system like GNU/Linux. Not everyone needs a computer though, most people only need a console, and that's perfectly alright, and those people shouldn't lose time with GNU/Linux, and shouldn't post crap about GNU/Linux either, because to the people that know GNU/Linux, it doesn't matter anyway what console users say. Computer enthusiasts that use GNU/Linux already know what others still have to find out, or will never find out... at this point, you can't be taken seriously by computing enthusiasts if you say that you are a real computing enthusiast and use only Windows... there is no use in talking crap about GNU/Linux, it already has taken over the world, and it won't compete with a commercial software console because that's not what it does... you should have joined the crap talkers 15 years ago, when it was still fresh. Now GNU/Linux is not on the barricades anymore, GNU/Linux has nothing left to prove but to itself. 15 years ago, then it was still an issue, GNU/Linux was still on the barricades, for instance I actually had to waste 3 hours in the principal's office at school to appear before a committee because I wanted to use GNU/Linux as operating system and not Windows or anything else closed source, and all the "specialists" at school thought that was complete nonsense and I should be forced to use Windows and Office instead of GNU/Linux and Open Document formats for school work, and after extensive debate, I actually got a handwritten "Admitatur" from the principal that I could show to teachers every time I used open source software for something (which was very practical as you would imagine, like how can you show a written note if you send something by email?). Now I actually have to check and certify security protocolls for companies that exclude anything but open source software standards, because companies can't trust closed source software anymore and actually get in trouble with government certifications and things if they use anything but open source. So the discussion is old, computing has moved on from closed source, but the closed source technology is still enough for console marketing in the consumer market, and some people still insist on comparing the "XBox Windows Home Premium or Ultimate Edition for non-Microsoft branded hardware" with a modern real computing platform, even though they use more devices in daily life with an operating system based on the linux kernel, and they can't even use the commercial services on their XBox Software Edition without those services being powered by linux (or what do you think Microsoft uses for Skype or Azure, Windows Server HPC maybe? lmao). Either you're talking about computing, or you're talking about content consumption on a software console, but those are very different worlds, and you'll have to wait for "Ubuntu+Mir Steam Mc Donalds Starbucks Whatever Linux" to compare it to Windows again, because that will be a linux based operating system that's not made for advanced computing but rather for commercial content consumption. But if you want to do advanced computing, if you want to be a computing enthusiast, if you want to belong to the people that use computers to do something with their lives and careers, protip: don't introduce yourself as someone that uses Windows as main operating system, it might not work out that well...

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None of that is even relevant to this conversation.

"Why don't more people use linux?"
"People like to occasionally play games, especially the ones they have paid for, and would rather game on PC than on a console"

"NO WAI GUYZ LINUX IS FOR PROS WINDOWS FOR NUBS HURRDURR" Get over yourself.

You arent better because you use linux. You cannot run decent movie production on linux, and gimp is nowhere as good as photoshop, I dont care if its free. 

Linux isn't just for people who "Compute" things, and you can "Compute" things in windows


 You can type all of the unreadably formatted paragraphs that you want. 

Btw, no one said anything about computing or computing enthusiasts. Get your head out of your ass and stop spouting out random facts in a demeaning manner. 

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Lmao Phantom, might I suggest you stop reading my posts, I have the impression that they are not good for your blood pressure, like seriously...

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None of that is even relevant to this conversation.

Oh yes? He answered the question pretty good. It's because people don't need something good and powerfull but are fine with crap.

People like to occasionally play games, especially the ones they have paid for, and would rather game on PC than on a console"

So do I. And I don't own Windows or any other console. I also develop games on linux.

"NO WAI GUYZ LINUX IS FOR PROS WINDOWS FOR NUBS HURRDURR" Get over yourself.

"NO WAI GUYZ WINDOWS IS FOR PROS LINUX FOR NUBS BECAUSE YOU CANT DO SHIT THERE HURRDURR" Get over yourself.

You arent better because you use linux

You arent better because you use windows

You cannot run decent movie production on linux

Wrong. Ask pixar. Or oscar winners. Or... Ah, you won't. You never do.

and gimp is nowhere as good as photoshop

[citation needed]

I dont care if its free.

I bet you also don't care about privacy, democrazy and human rights.

Linus isn't just for people who "Compute" things, and you can "Compute" things in windows

Linus. I see.

You don't get what he is saying.

You can type all of the unreadably formatted paragraphs that you want.

"Let's get totaly offtopic because I don't know how how to win this argument"

Btw, no one said anything about computing or computing enthusiasts. Get your head out of your ass and stop spouting out random facts in a demeaning manner.

No? The thread "Linux?" in a computer enthusiast forum isn't about computing or computing enthusiasts?

"Let's insult others because I don't know how to win this argument"

 

Have a nice day.

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The question was "i dont want to give up my adobe premiere and i was wondering if the video editor are relible enough for me to switch over to linux os and nothing but linux"

The answer to that is "No"

As much as you guys want to parade about saying linux is better. And I emplore you to find anywhere saying windows is better, or that I am better because of it, Unlike Zoltan, who indeed said linux users were better, Its editing programs arent nearly as feature rich as those of windows or mac. That question was even answered in one of the recent tek videos. It doesnt need a citation. Gimp doesnt have as many features. You never hear anyone say "Hey guys, look, I gimped this photo" 

Linux is great. I use it occasionaly, as stated before. You guys are getting your panties in a wad because "Oh oh, someone uses windows, lets write paragraphs about how we are better without actually answering the question"

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The answer to that is "No"

Actually the answer is "Yes". But you don't care.

Its editing programs arent nearly as feature rich as those of windows or mac

[citation needed]

That question was even answered in one of the recent tek videos

Actually, no. And don't act like everything what Logan and Wendell say is "the only pure truth" out there. They are not as deep into Linux as others out there. They've said many wrong things in the Tek already.

Gimp doesnt have as many features

[citation needed]

You never hear anyone say "Hey guys, look, I gimped this photo"

So what? That's only a proof for Photoshop deing dominant in the market and for "photoshopping" being a word that eveyone understands, nothing else.

You guys are getting your panties in a wad because "Oh oh, someone uses windows, lets write paragraphs about how we are better without actually answering the question"

We are defending our position because people like you try to distort the reality.