Linus Torvalds Taking A Break

I just don’t get why some people are up in arms about a code of conduct. I am perfectly capable of being being hard on people without swearing or mentioning their race/sex/favourite pet or whatever.

I have made 2 SysAdmins cry breaking it to them that they did not have what it took to be promoted and suggested their dreams would never be fulfilled at the company we worked at - they took the hint and left :smiley:

One of them liked to say sexists things, so served him right, the big headed prick :joy:

I did that under much tighter conditions that a code of conduct - if you think that is bad look at the HR policies in most EU countries, the law means you have to tread carefully else your company will be settling out of court - no name calling needed!

We have a different thread for discussing the CoC.

More importantly, if you don’t understand the dissatisfaction, you should read the thread since people have made their disagreement explicitly clear.

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Thanks, must have missed that. I will check it out.

Thats some of the people he kicked recently so I have faith.

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Yeah man. The CIA finally got to him.

Anyway, yeah. Hope Linus comes back fresh and all is well.

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But they glow in the dark! How’d they get him?

:thinking: must have been during the day… Damn.

Obviously, Majestic 12 silenced black helicopters supported by Illuminati ronin executed the operation. The CIA was just a cover, and a poor one at that.

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Removing this and moving to the relevant thread

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Wrong thread.

There’s a CoC thread here:

EDIT: Thanks!

This seems like a dramatic change of tone from him.

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As long as the result is a, “I’ll be more polite when ruthlessly judging your code”; if instead he restrains his criticism because he feels he needs to do so to be polite… Linux and its code quality may start to suffer.

What if you want people to treat each other with respect, but only if they do so of their own free will?


If you look at the clip @SesameStreetThug just posted, specifically the line:

… people are different, I’m abrasive.
I grew up in a culture that I think is not quite as politically correct as the culture, especially in the US, today.
I also grew up in a family that was largely dysfunctional, so …

That would lend credibility to Linus seeing his actions as tough love, if you want to play amateur psychologist.

I think that as long as he doesn’t accept subpar code, we’ll be fine. You can reject code without criticizing it.

I agree. I’ve always seen it that way because he’s, frankly, similar to the way my father treated me when I was a kid. 90% of the time he would be perfectly happy, agreeable and nice, but when I messed up, you’re damn sure I remembered it.

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I think the doom and gloom reactions to his temporary departure are a bit early. Suggesting we jump ship as soon as the first signs of rot are spotted is idiotic.

It’s perfectly reasonable to expect this to be the case.
The best course of action is, in my opinion, to stay with the project. Abandonment is premature at this point and would only hand over further power over the project. This applies to the new CoC as well. All of the talk of forks flying around is potentially detrimental to preserving the values of the project.

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I’m not sure what you mean by this; criticizing bad code is important if you want good developers. If you don’t know what you’re doing wrong how can you hope to fix it?

I was only commenting on your concern about the pedigree of code accepted into mainline.

I completely agree that you need to tell people what’s wrong, but it’s possible to just say “no”

It’s even possible to say “no” and “here’s the technical reason why” and “here’s how you could improve it” and “thank you for your effort” without being intentionally corrosive.

At the end of the day though they are just words.

People choose to be offended by words.

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At the end of the day, the project is better off when people help each other improve.

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Maybe he shouldn’t come back. He can do other things then, might be better off for it.