Level1 News July 25 2017: Existential Crisis, Will Robinson | Level One Techs

soo... it's like a new mega uploads but you pay for downloads by the gig?

Edit:
found this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
Been around forever?

"Oh boy, let me tell you a story" intensifies :stuck_out_tongue:

And yes, it's exactly that. There are some shady areas on it though, and some "semi-legal" areas. And... eh, well, not sure if this is the right forum for this. But anyway, there's also /r/usenet

And no you don't necessarily pay by the GB, it depends on the access you get.

Alternatively you can get GOT legally for the same amount sooooooo, idk.

Also on a sidenote, usenet in itself is technically free, it's just the "binary usenet" where you need to pay certain providers that actually archive it.

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Yep, one of the first internet protocols. Meant to be used as a news server (newgroups), but you can attach files to those posts and the way it works is you post it to one server and it gets replicated. You pay your provider, who hosts a mirror of the same thing everyone else has. Unless you have very, very fast internet, they'll almost always allow you to download at your max speed.

The raw index can be intimidating but you have indexing sites that will let you download .nzb files which your client software can parse and download automatically.

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Don't see how this is better than torrents... but ok.

Thx for the info guys.


Also,
I have paid subscriptions to prime, hbo, and netflix but not a single one works on linux for me.... soooo....

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The anime eyes do indeed make it legal.

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The Czechs have something similar called uloz.to. People upload files and you can download them for free without needing any account. However you are limited to 300KB/s. When you create an account you can buy different packages that are worth certain number of GBs. For 17GBP you can buy 150GB. And then you can download multiple files at maximum speed of your line. You can pay by debit card, SMS text or Bitcoin.

I'm surprised it's lasted so long because it's very easy target. At one point they nearly got shut down because somebody uploaded kido porn, and there was a big circus around it.

But it's not very good if you need to download large files. 10GB+ because they are storing all the files it gets more expensive for them. If you downloaded 3 AAA games with 3 BD movies with high bit-rate you would run out of that 150GB credit very quickly.

idk, don't use it myself. I guess just the trust that the Usenet Provider isn't logging anything (which they totally could even when they say they don't, duh) is enoughz... idk, too lazy to read into it (actually did at some point but netflix was easier).

netflix worked for me on chrome (well... vivaldi) some time ago, but another provider I know has issues with chrome 58+ too.

Huh?!?!? I used to be with astraweb years ago, you'd get unlimited downloads (well ok, you were limited to 100Mbps). There used to be plenty of Usenet providers not counting bytes.

so this might be de-railing this thread a bit...

But how is usenet more shielded from corporate overlords and ISP snooping?

John Danaher has been writing a lot of articles on the subject of human / robot relations. He also includes the prospect of sexual relations as well. Though I don't agree with many of his views, he goes in pretty extensively; and that is probably what matters most. His G+ page is a pretty good place to find his works.

It's not, but it's awkward to use so most don't bother blocking. Unlike torrents, usenet traffic patterns are theoretically indistinguishable from, for example, https when run on port 443, but since there's only so many usenet providers they're easy to identify and block.

Some torrent sites will archive to usenet, ... the usenet copies are encrypted and appear as random blob junk to anyone else, so you could say that the fact there's choice when it comes to sharing is what makes sharing more resilient.

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you'd block a whole lot of other websites with this though. Highwinds is one of the main usenet providers (with multiple provider sites), and they are also a CDN for games and media.. so, yeah. depends how you block it I guess.

Another very funny and informative show guys. Thanks.

So, why exactly should newspapers be free? How is this magical economic thinking supposed to work?

  1. pay salary to journalists
  2. publish free newspaper
  3. listen to whining entitled nerds
  4. ?????
  5. magical internet money appears?

you can get money through ads, donations, subscrition models, etc

Yes. Subscription is the traditonal way that newspapers are funded. But somehow this is now WRONG and BAD and mages nerds rage. I don't understand the nerd rage.

What do you think the paywall is? the fk.

And of course they use ads, but with 200% of the visitors using adblock that doesn't work out all that well.

Donations? You know anybody who donates to a corporate media? Of course there are also reporters without borders or whatever they're called and a whole lot of other charities for investigative journalism, but that doesn't pay everything.

As I said above, since the rise of especially smartphones the subscriptions and revenue in general has declined dramatically.

side note:

I really like Level1tech reviews, but the Level1 News mostly just makes me cringe and hear banjos, as in "Bubba and Cletus' Damn Gubmint Show".

a subscription model does not have to be one that is paywalled. You could have a ad supported site and a subscription that gives you a ad free version

You could very easily make the argument that they caused the adblocker problem with the quality of the shit ads they serve

That is probably true. Though to be fair most ads these days are pretty acceptable (aside from the tracking). Been a while since I saw shit like sliding in ads in a container, close buttons you couldn't click and other bullshit.

And yes, a hybrid model is probably the goto way (maybe a patreon on top for certain bonus content like L1T or whatever).