Yeah probablly a bit more, depending on the country.
Still the S60 is of course a totally different car then a Supra.
But indeed its not really a great deal.
Toyota Supra is pretty much a BMW Z4
I think that there more cool and better roadsters.
Like the litte Renault Alpine A110 2017 edition.
Throw the engine from an M3 into the Supra and you’d have a rocketship.
Reeeee! It’s not about being better, it’s all about the experience. Which so happens to be what sports cars are about.
Sports car + no manual option = taboo
Oh god you guys don’t realize…the 4 cylinder Supra is meant to be a lower point of entry for those who want to swap a 2JZ into the new platform…
The old model supra made something around 300hp at the most at top spec. And yet its coveted. Im not sure the power really matters (Or at least they thought). And considering the factory put so many options in to the body to add things like oil coolers, they were likely trying to build it in a way that led to modding like the old supras. There are already 1khp+ cars puttering around with that bmw engine. As Cybeast mentioned it’s probably more for the 2jz swappers.
I wouldn’t buy one, for that price I’d sooner find myself a used Lotus Elise with half the power and a manual. But I also just love lotus. Can even find an exige if you wait long enough in that price. That said, I did see one in person yesterday. It’s neat, though I can’t say it did anything for me.
@TeckMonster – Question for ya, thoughts on the manuals without sticks? What do they call them, E-gears? Automated manuals that don’t (I know some do) have an automatic mode. Still 3 pedals though.
Are you referring to a sequential transmission? I’ve never heard of a manual that shift itself, but still has a clutch pedal. That would be interesting to see, but I’d still prefer a stick shifter. A sequential could be fun though (never tried one aside from bikes).
Nah, sequential are more like manuals. The cassettes in motorbikes are manual sequential in a way. Lot of those can use a I shift stick. Im thinking more like some of the Lamborghini’s and Ferrari’s. I think the Lexus LFA had one. They are manuals and if you give them a stick it’s like a regular manual H pattern, but otherwise it uses hydraulics to make it an “auto” lot of them wont shift themselves and still need input from a floppy panel on the column kinda like the air assisted sequentials. I think Egears typically have actual auto modes. But ones like the LFA don’t.
I know the lamborghini trans better so for reference – the manual and auto are the same trans. The manual just lacks all the hydraulic bits that surround the outside of it to shift it without a stick. But the full manual is H pattern. Im pretty sure the lambos will shift themselves, but some of ther ferraris that do the same thing do not. They don’t typically have a 3rd pedal. The Lexus on the other hand has a third pedal with no stick. As immediate examples I can give.
tbf I don’t know how i’d feel about them. Most of them have auto blippers so no rev matching would be odd. Though itd probably sound better then any rev matching I can do. lmao
So then BMW is responsible for the shit engines?
Dude, the LFA has no clutch pedal.
Automated “robotic” manuals do exist. Lambo, Aston Martin and even BMW used them for sure.
You’re right. I thought that single clutch LFA did. I must be confusing it with another. Either way, the trans I had in mind was along the lines of being an e-gear like like those you mentioned but also having an single auto clutch. Still need the pedal for take off and stops. I don’t remember what had it though. It’s common in motorbikes when they have auto clutches – Even some factory bikes are doing that. MV just released one.
Yeah either BMW or PSA.
But as far as i know it is a BMW engine.
Fond memories of the E60/S85 combo.
Well the BMW Z4 of course is also available in the M40i version.
A 3.0 straight 6, which is good. 
BMW 305 or bust.
The straight 6 is 4 cyl too few.
Well everybody has their own opinions on bmw´s.
I personally don´t like all those newer ones anymore really.
One of the best looking BMW’s ever made in my opinion…
The BMW M635 CSi.
Agreed, probably.
The thing is, it’s got a tiny engine.
Yeah 3.5 straight 6, i believe for the US market it even got down spec’d.
I hate when they do that.
If you won’t let us import a Euro car, don’t downspec the damn thing.
Yeah not really sure why they did that.
value proposition, most likely. “it’s 10k cheaper in the states, to compete, so we’ll give it less power”
Rather than try to be in the same price range as Lincoln and Caddy, they should really just make it 5-10k more and put the thicc engine in it.