24 hours + 4 hours of checksum
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I bought a threadripper system. Helps me with sleep.
It just crushes my render /lookdev tasks.
You said you’re unemployed? Do you sleep better when you have a task /things to do /fulfill?
I don’t have a superb sleep either. But using lists (for work) and beeing very organized helps to control things.
Seems like you do that with that schedule.
I also late realized that all the early bird talk is BS. Google chronotypes. Science advanced and new Studies are out.
I can recommend a book “eat the frog”. No offense from an euro standpoint it’s a bit blatant written but still helpful in some ways.
You might need to auto translate this
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No, that’s really worse, then I have to comply to the 9 to 5 world (or 8 to 19 at my last job) and that stresses me out.
I’m reading a book called “The ADHD helper” right now and one of the first tips is to make a detailed schedule every week for everything. List/schedule. Both as a reminder and a way to “get things going” when you’re stuck.
I’ve always had a late/off circadian rhythm. 00:00-05:00 are the best hours, that’s when I get all my reading and things done. It’s been like that since I was in my early teens. But then I had to go to sleep and then I had to wake up too early so I was tired.
I might roll my eyes as Merkel but I can still absorb the information 
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As a child, before meds or even being properly diagnosed with anything, I lay awake on the couch in the living room with Comedy Central on low volume on the TV, only falling asleep around 06:00 even with a full day of activity.
I’m 38 now with major depressive disorder, extreme social anxiety and PTSD. I worked for 15 years from the age of 17 in the US and it took a horrible toll on my mental health adding to a fair amount of familial abuse. The literal “dog eat dog” mentality and “accepted” mental abuse that goes on in all workplaces broke me. I’m now on Social Security Disability Insurance, and if I didn’t have the three decent paying jobs that I had in my life and a mother that lets me rent my room, I’d literally be living on the streets.
Some people aren’t built for modern society, most are groomed for it no matter what country you come from.
Having a roof over my head and the ability to just do what I love doing (tinkering with electronics, getting lost in music, gaming) ALONG with proper medication for sleep, depression and anxiety (which I never had before; the proper medication and therapy, I mean), not being beholden to any entity has made my life better. It’s nowhere near “ideal”, but it’s better than brown nosing and slaving.
Something SOCIAL, EVERYWHERE, needs to change so that we can ALL function NATURALLY.
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I can relate to a lot of this way too much to sadly 
Hugs my friend, you have all of my empathy. I am glad that you are able to get disability and that it gives you some freedom.
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Beyond appreciated. 
I just thought it fitting as it is a systemic problem that has plagued more than just a few around the world. Not trying to take anything from @MattiP by any means, more as a comforting “you’re not alone, old man”. 
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Neil deGrasse Tyson said something like “Looking at my fellow scientist I’m glad to see there’s a place for those who are neurodivergent.” Computers used to be a pretty good place for those who couldn’t adopt to the 9-5 cubicle life for some reason. But somewhere along the line we lost that and now there’s only a few privileged who still have that.
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Anything new with this?
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It works fine, except when I’m stupid or have to interact with people. For the schedule to work I have to go to bed in time even if I’ve found a tv show I just want to watch one more episode of Also, it’s that problem when normies want me to come over at dinner on Mondays or brunches at Sundays. In the latter case I try to go to bed a couple of hours early and sleep some more when I get home again so the schedule isn’t that much disturbed.
I also realised the longer days on the weekends are good because even if I’m a bit out of phase during the week the longer days force me to get on track again.
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I can’t be bothered to check if I’ve already written this, and I wanted to post this picture.
This is me normally when I go to bed. Heaps 'n heaps of thoughts and ideas and it takes me hours to finally fall asleep. After a while I get bored and that really don’t help my motivation to stay put and wait for me to finally fall asleep. When I was younger I used to read until I almost passed out and my mom got worried by finding me in the morning asleep on my bed, with my clothes on and a book on my chest. Sometimes with my glasses on. Later in life I just stayed up until I almost fell off my chair. Neither of these methods were very good combined with things like school, work, or something else on a certain time.
During these two months I think I’ve had problem falling asleep once. Instead of every night. Only that makes it heaps easier to go to bed. Combined with the feeling of being ready with that day, and knowing I’m not gonna be tired all through the next day helps too.
I still have a bit of problem keeping track of how many hours I’ve slept in total, since I’m old and have to go up and pee during the night, since I’m stupid and sometimes take a coffee break after the pee break, get’s sidetracked watching some videos on youtube, and such. But eventually I should look through the millions of sleep apps.
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I’m glad this experiment has been mostly working for you. 
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This is what I have to do right now, but thankfully all the medications I take also causes drowsiness. Like every single one 
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11 month later and it still works fine. The big problem really is living slightly askew with the rest of the world. I have relatives who love to invite me for early dinners on Sundays, when I normally sleep. And on Yule and New years eve I’m supposed to go to bed by 20:00. For me personally this doesn’t really matter since I don’t really care for neither.
What has changed
- I don’t have to take a nap in the afternoon
- I don’t lie in bed for hours trying to fall asleep
- I feel a lot less stressed about sleeping or staying awake
- People annoy me more when they invite me for dinner when I’m supposed to sleep.
- I’m more productive since I spend a lot less time trying to sleep or being very tired trying to stay awake.
Edit: The biggest problem really is to not wander off when I wake up after six hours or something. If I wake in the middle of a sleep phase, pee, drink some coffee and have a cigarette, read some news, and then go back to bed I can sleep for four hours more without a problem. But if I stay up for more than an hour it’s much harder to go back to sleep, but I still have to sleep some more later. But that’s more me being a muppet problem.
I also realise I have become the cartoon figure Skalman from the popular Swedish comic Bamse who has a food and sleep clock.
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I’ve had extreme difficulty falling asleep and waking up at the “proper” times all my life. I was finally diagnosed with
in 2011 at a sleep clinic after a few weeks of actigraphy and a full polysomnography during a night at that clinic. The doctor gave me some pretty clear advice: “You have to stop trying to follow a “normal” sleep schedule or you will get seriously ill.”
So I went to my employer and told them I needed to work afternoons and evenings instead of normal office hours - which they accepted, luckily (they were satisfied as long as I delivered working code on time). For the first time in my then 35-ish years old life I then got some sort of regular meal times and did not have to toss and turn for hours before falling asleep, only to go through an painful, hour-long wake-up process using multiple alarm clocks the next day.
Today I’m on a longer-than-24-hour cycle. My body seems to like 25 hours. Doesn’t sound like a huge difference to 24 hours - and indeed I can hold 24 hours for one or two days, but the “time debt” adds up quickly and forces me to get back to the original schedule (i.e. not just go back to a 25 hour schedule, but go back to the schedule I would have been on if I hadn’t deviated in the first place). Turns out my body is surprisingly good at keeping time over longer periods, just not in 24 hour chunks!
I have written a small, simple, text based program where I can enter my current sleep phase (as a wake time and date) and the length of a “day”, as well as any upcoming events. It also calculates sunrise and sunset times. It then produces a simple text list of sleep & wake up times, events, and sunsets and sunrises for however long I want. It lets me tweak my schedule (+/-15 minutes seems to work okay-ish over several weeks) so that, with enough advance warning, I can fit my schedule to doctor’s appointments, social events and such.
Honestly, the whole thing is a pain, but I couldn’t go on tormenting my brain and body the way I did while trying to force myself into a 24 hour cycle. Edit: It’s an amazing luxury to be able to follow the body’s wake and sleep signals and not even having to use an alarm clock anymore! Instead of dread I can now feel bliss over going to bed; like going to bed is something that can actually fill me with great joy and contentment sometimes!
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And yes, I identify with Skalman as well
Thanks for starting this thread BTW!
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It’s the first shuttle to Mars for you then. I’m not sure where I should go, maybe some bunker somewhere 
I saw a sleep doctor a couple of years ago but he only told me to take walks in the daylight, but didn’t listen to me when I told him I’ve had these problems since high school and back then I was out during the days and had PE in school. So both sunlight and workout.
That’s so weird. After 50 years I’ve started to wake up ten minutes before the alarm clock. I used to have three different alarm clocks set 10-15 minutes apart placed further away from bed so I had to walk a bit longer to turn each off.
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After a decade of working graveyard shifts I am convinced my sleep schedule is tied to my bowel movements. Other then that, if I wake up and have a cig after only 4 hours of sleep I tend to sleep best after doing some anaerobic exercise (dumbell, pushups, etc.)
Might be best to skip the cigerette as nicotine has a half hour half life iirc, and that s is amazing if you need to complete a 16 hour shift with 100% focus, but it can’t be anything but disruptive for resting. Coffee and cigerettes are teh working mans drugs of choice for a reason.
My other theory to a poor sleep schedule is a lack of sunlight. Just a personal observation, but I seem to need less sleep during the summer if I make sure to spend more time outside, so I guess I agree with your doctor after reading last post. Probably ties in with bowel movements.
Just throwing in my 2 cents, hoping to adapt solutions in this thread myself. Hate falling asleep, and waking up.
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The thing is I’ve pretty much done them all at one time or another.
- No coffee - slept bad
- Coffee - slept bad
- Set sleep schedule 23-7 - slept bad
- Sleep whenever - slept bad
- EVE Online industrial mining (sleep 2 hours, wake 15 minutes) - slept bad
- Awake and about during the day - slept bad
- Awake and about during the afternoon and night - slept bad
- High school (PE twice a week) - slept bad
- Working at a gym (workout 3-4 times a week) - slept bad
- Swedish summer (only dark for 2 hours) - slept bad
- Swedish winter (dark for 16 hours) - slept bad
- Warm blankets - slept bad
- Open window - slept bad
- Sleeping meds - slept not good
- Working 4 hours a day - slept bad
- Working 36 hours straight - don’t recommend
- Only eat a bit - slept bad
- Ate a lot - slept bad
In no way I’m saying I’m the norm here, but the only thing that has worked for me is 28 hours day. The only problem I’ve had with it is Sunday brunches and 9-5 jobs.
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You might have delayed onset of sleep. There are medications that help with that. They can cause problems, but not sleeping properly can be worse.
Exercise does help.