this is my build so far
1. rosewill hive semi modular 750w psu
2. 8gb gskill trident x 2400mhz ram
3. 3tb seagate barracuda 7200rpm
4. asrock fatality 990fx killer
5. corsair obsidian 450d
6. evga gforce gtx 770 2gb
i was wanting to know if i should get the kaveri 7850k, or should i get the fx 6300. which would give me more performance for my build??
If you are going with a dedicated GPU there is absolutely no reason to get an APU. You will never use the GPU portion of it.
Get the 6300.
thats not true. maybe you should do your research before giving me bullcrap answers you know little about
Have you purchased the listed parts? You could probably stretch to a decent motherboard and an 8320.
Otherwise, I would opt for the 6300, personally. I think the 7850k is overpriced for what it is. You simply do not need it if you're using a dedicated GPU.
The 7850K is a fairly decent chip but you would be better off with the larger number PCI Express lanes of 6300 (its also a stronger chip), plus AMD is going into a really weird place with their FM2+ APUs, the next generation of APU will only have 16 lanes which is pushing it for even midrange GPUs, so FM2+ is not a very good path to go ATM, in my opinion of course.
Wat. Yes it is true. I mean I suppose there is HSA? But that really isn't there yet and even then I'm not sure you could take advantage of it with a GPU installed anyway.
Here are some other things that are true, just to piss you off a bit ;). There is no need for that high speed RAM when running a dedicated GPU. You'd need a different motherboard if you wanted to use the Kaveri. The 3TB Seagate drives aren't very reliable and the Rosewill Hive isn't the best PSU you could buy for the price and you definitely don't need 750W for that rig.
I have built quite a few systems and have helped many people to do the same. I know what I'm talking about thanks. Sorry you are ignorant.
How about you learn what the hell you are talking about before you go insulting me?
Fx 6300 owner tuning in. It's a great CPU for the money! Pair it with a solid GPU like a R9 270 or a GTX 760, then you will have a 1080p gaming beast. As for the APU, I agree that it is overpriced for what it does.
[..] the next generation of APU will only have 16 lanes which is pushing it for even midrange GPUs [..]
Source, please. Because I don't believe you.
DerKrieger is right on all points, btw. On Windows you'll probably never see more than a handful of HSA enabled applications, and if you want to switch to linux (Fedora 21 will have lots of HSA features), NVIDIA is a nightmare for any modern distro.
What? Nvidia is fine with most linux distros.
I have experience more issues with my 7950 (My personal card) than a 770, 780 and titan that I build for some friends.
I think we are viewing things from a different perspective.
First of all, I don't see a point in using linux and depending on proprietary drivers for my graphics card. That goes against what open source is all about. And the AMD open source driver is on par with Catalyst according to the absolute latest git build and the Valve patches (http://www.linuxsystems.it/2014/05/radeonsi-awesome-beats-catalyst/). And it will only get better now that Valve is pushing SteamOS.
Secondly, what type of distro are you using? Because with a bleeding edge distro, where kernel version are behind the latest stable versions by a week or two (I'm on 3.14.3 on Arch linux, latest stable kernel is 3.15 released on Friday), the NVIDIA proprietary drivers often don't compile against the latest kernel, and you have to wait for the distro maintainers to release a fixed version of the driver. You don't have this issue with AMD (both Catalyst and open source). I am using bleeding edge distros as an argument because kernel versions are usually made up of 50% drivers. Newer hardware will be better supported on newer kernels, which get released typically every month, on a Sunday.
And lastly, NVIDIA has treated the open source community with the outmost contempt. They lied about releasing the kernel hooks for their drivers. I heard that some guys even got crowdfounded to rent the scientific equipment to reverse engineer the NVIDIA cards (I don't have a link at hand) because they wouldn't release the specs. And NVIDIA keeps mocking the Nouveau team, when the Maxwell GPUs were launched they sent them two 750 Ti's and said that is all they can do to help the open source driver development. NVIDIA is also trying to get into the Android market with their chips, and they offer no support for linux development (Linus Torvalds specifically states that NVIDIA is the worst hardware company to work with). These are just the things that came to mind off the top of my head, I am sure there are other instances where NVIDIA has demonstrated how against open source they are.
EDIT: just remembered this, so funny: NVIDIA has a contract with Red Hat. Red Hat sponsors Fedora. The Catalyst drivers got orphaned (removed) from the Fedora repositories. And like I've said, Catalyst compiles without a problem with new kernels, you don't have to fiddle around like you do with the NVIDIA drivers, yet they are orphaned. These are the kind of tactics that NVIDIA uses in the open source world. Basically, Microsoft level tactics.
EDIT2: I am looking at the Nouveau home page, it seems that NVIDIA is beginning to offer a hint of support for the Tegra K1. Too little, too late.
EDIT3: I keep coming back to this, sorry for the huge wall of text. A PCI passthrough to a Windows VM, so you can play Windows games with almost no performance loss, is extremely difficult to realize with Nouveau, impossible with proprietary drivers (both AMD's and NVIDIA's). It's very easy with the open source AMD drivers, there is a tutorial made by Zoltan in the linux section of the forums, and basically every distro forum has tons of post about how to do this.
Surely, that makes sense. I'm most into the debian-tree, which sadly isn't a huge cutting-edge distro.
Debian does have its merits though :)
Windows has its merits
Yes, indeed it does. I wasn't suggesting anything to the contrary, and I hope I'm not being terribly off topic with my posts.
Just like a console has its merits compared to a PC, so does Windows have its merits compared to linux.
I was trying to push your buttons. lol
It's not often I get the chance to wind up Loonix users, as you're quite a rarity
Heh, touche.
Comparing just the CPU portion of the 7850K, it's about the same performance as the Athlon X4 760K (which is an A10-6800K APU minus the iGPU). In fact in several benchmarks, the 760K is still slightly stronger in terms of pure CPU prowess. The difference is that the Kaveri achieves this same level of performance using less power and at lower clock speeds. Better performance-per-watt, which is partly what AMD was aiming for with Kaveri.
The other side of the Kaveri coin is HSA which uses the on-board GPU cores for specific tasks that can be completed much faster using GPU cores. This integration will be usable even with a dedicated GPU in use as the iGPU is part of the "APU" as a whole processing unit.
All that being said, unless you actually run those specific apps that take advantage of HSA all the time, there will be no reason and no benefit to going with the 7850K over the 6300. If most of what you'll be doing is gaming, the 6300 will provide better performance and is the choice that makes the most sense between the two.
Sources? Here you go:
http://techreport.com/news/26183/report-amd-next-gen-carrizo-apu-supports-ddr4-integrates-chipset
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/178752-amds-next-gen-carrizo-apu-features-leaked-shows-greater-focus-on-power-efficiency
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Carrizo-APU-Leaked-Has-DDR4-but-Is-Crippled-in-PCI-Express-Support-433081.shtml
the 6300 and the 7850k are on different platforms (am3 vs am2). you listed a AM3 board in your build list so i dont think the 7850 is an option.
wow...maybe look at who you are talking to before you reply with something like that? DerKrieger usually knows what he is talking about and I agree completely with what he says. You are on a tech forum, did you know that? We talk about this stuff on this forum. People know what this stuff is. You came asking, so don't act like an ass when someone gives you an answer.