First PC, what can/should i change

MOBO
GIGABYTE B650 Eagle motherboard, Socket AM5, AMD B650, ATX, DDR5. -160€

GPU
GIGABYTE Radeon RX 7800 XT Gaming OC, 16384 MB GDDR6 3 fans 16gb vram. -520

CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz (Raphael) AM5-200€
or
AMD Ryzen 5 9600X CPU, 6 Cores, 5.4 GHz, AM5 (Zen 5) -250€
Or
AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz (Raphael) AM5 -287€

COOLER
Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE CPU Cooler - 120 mm, Dual-Tower 45€
Or
Arctic Liquid Freezer III AIO Cooler - 280mm-75€

RAM
G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 RAM, CL30, EXPO - 32 GB Dual-Kit -120€

SSD
Samsung 980 PRO Series NVMe 2TB. -170€

Monitor
AOC Gaming Q27G4XN, 27-inch Gaming Monitor, 180Hz, VA, FreeSync Premium 1440p 1ms. -200€

I still havent decided on the case or power supply cause so im very open to some reasonable suggestions, i just know about some ratings and that i shouldn’t go below C?

Also please do keep in mind im gonna be playing in 1440p and games like LOL, sons of the forest, Warzone, overwatch, valorant and all of the DS are gonna be what i play through the most which is why im tempted to go with a bit of a lower CPU and cooling which I’ll upagrade to a x3d in a few years if there’ll be any reason to.

This will primarily be a gaming pc with a bit of CAD and CATIA for school here and there.

Any bit of help is well appreciated. :slight_smile:

I personally would go with an 7600X3D processor, more L3 cache giving you a few more FPS to play with.

Really? I mean i know its better and all but 100€ more for not such a big of an upagrade since im gonna be playing 1440p, or am i crazy?

Look at the reviews between the X and X3D series of CPUs. If your goal is gaming, then you should at lease be considering it.

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For right now, I’d go 7600X; the 9800X3D is king, but king at a cost, and the GPU horsepower to really make it show its colors doesn’t happen until you’re spending what you’re currently planning to on the whole system on just the GPU. Probably in another 2 generations, that will start to change.

Though the 7600X3D would be a decent option with the number of shooters on your playlist; I normally would avoid it, because it occasionally loses its edge in games “optimized” around having 8 cores while being priced like a 9700X. So does the 7600X, but the 7600X has the advantage of being cheap. If you’re going to eventually wind up buying another CPU regardless, you may as well save the money now to apply to later; it’s relatively unlikely the 9800X3D will remain top of the pops for the rest of AM5’s lifecycle, so being able to jump straight to whatever the “endgame” of the socket winds up being might end up a good approach.

Cooling is an area that almost doesn’t matter; the Freezer III is reasonably priced and very effective, so if you want the LC aesthetics you kind of may as well, but none of the CPUs you’re looking at really want more than 100W at absolute peak load, meaning they’d be just as happy under something even less expensive (though not necessarily smaller) than the Phantom Spirit. Going that way, you could probably bump to a 7900 GRE for the same total and wind up with a better gaming computer than more processor with the 7800XT.

I’d be cautious of all three. Opinions vary, unsurprisingly, but ASRock tends to be the most attractive choice for AM5, followed by MSI. Here B650 Eagle and B650 Pro RS are the same price but B650 Pro RS WiFi’s like 20% less, B650 Steel Legend’s not much more. ASRock also does decent 7000 series GPUs but I’d look at at least PowerColor and Sapphire as well.

Haven’t personally built G.Skill but keep coming across pretty mixed things about their DIMM thermals, so might be good to check on that. FWIW I’ve been building Vengeance and it’s been fine. Also, does 32 GB dual mean 2x16 GB or 2x32 GB?

170€ including 17% VAT’s steep for a previous gen TLC DRAMed 2 TB and there’s definitely no reason to pay a premium for Samsung’s drives. I can get SN850X, 990 Pro, 530R, and T500 for the same or lower and TLC HMB drives like the SN770 would also be an option here.

All good. Based on first CCD experience with 7950X and 9900X, mainly on computationally intensive tasks, I’d probably do 9600X. Not familiar enough with the games you mention to consider that aspect, though.

As @RotaryJunkie mentioned, a PS120’s plenty for the CPUs under consideration. Return on going to lower cost air pretty slight and the PS120’s basically unbeatable for AM5 air cooling, so IMO there’s no reason to cross to anything else.

For watercooling I’d tend to set up for a 360 rad. Often 120 dual tower air and 280’s more or less a tie and the 280s I know with meaningful noise-normalized advantage are expensive.

Lancool 207 and RM850x is a reasonable default, Lancool II (or III) if you want room for a longer supply or other things. At 7900 XT I’d start thinking about HX1000i or Hydro Pro Ti 1000.

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Ok, so this is essentially your pick using German prices (since you list Euro I assume German prices are ok), I included an 850W PSU and decent case from Fractal Design, I really like how they put together cases but feel free to choose something else:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 7600X €199.00
CPU Cooler Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE €40.90
Motherboard Gigabyte B650 EAGLE €138.56
Memory G.Skill Flare X5 2x16 GB DDR5-6000 CL30 €114.89
Storage Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 €174.65
Video Card Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7800 XT €514.41
Case Fractal Design Focus 2 RGB €80.90
Power Supply Thermaltake Toughpower GT 850W 80+ Gold Fully Modular €89.90
Monitor AOC Q27G4X 27.0" 2560 x 1440 180 Hz €203.32
Total €1556.53

So… This is all right but I would do a few things differently. For the CPU, I would go with a higher core count over a higher CPU speed. The 7700 comes with a built in CPU cooler which mitigates the higher cost. It’s not the most special cooler but you can always buy an aftermarket cooler later. If you could stretch to the €325 7900, you will have a capable cooler too, but that is another €55 for a better cooler and adequate support.

Motherboard… Get one that supports wireless / bluetooth. So, so, sooo much more Quality of life.

Storage can be had for like 25%-30% cheaper if you dodge the Samsung branding and find a good deal.

The memory stick is a little pricey but 6000 MT/s@CL30 is a good pick.

Finally, the AOC screens are not really that impressive. I’d up the price a little extra, or at least start saving up for a second screen that is a bit more premium than this. I’ve seen Mini LED screens for ~€400, so save up for that.

Here is a more optimized build given German PCPP prices. Of course, feel free to change around stuff. Also take a look at my recent $1400 build advice thread.

Anyway, here is my pick:

PCPartPicker Part List

Hope that helps! As always with my adviced builds, take it as is or modify it however you want. :slight_smile:

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I’ve been getting so much input and feedback cause i got into pc building like a week ago and I’m so overwhelmed cause i dont know what to go for.

The SSD and the RAM are definitely gonna change.

Ive found a some seasonic power supplies and idk if they are any good

But the CPU hunt is killing me. Right now im thinking about going for the 7600x with a termaright 120 and upagrading to some x3d in the future bit then again 7700 seems so tempting at like 60€ more still im comsidering if i need, but then again i heard the series 7 temps get kinda crazy so im lost.

Still thank you for your help and having the time and energy to write all of that down for a random stranger :slight_smile:

Seasonic’s ok but brand rep’s high relative to relative to product quality, lots of other choices which tend to be somewhat better overall. HWBusters has the probably the most useful shortlists (links by wattage are, awkwardly, at the end of the post though) for showing diversity of criteria. Different prioritizations favor different picks and, particularly around noise, supplies with an excellent overall balance of tradeoffs don’t necessarily take the top in any one cell of the selection matrix.

Raphael’s thick IHS to maintain height compatibility with AM4 makes it warmer than it needs. But it’s not of functional significance unless an underspec cooler’s used. Most any current or recent gen desktop CPU boosts to its thermal limit if enough power’s focused into a few cores anyways.

Edit to add: 7700X is actually less than 7700 here and, if you want it to run the same as a 7700, it’s just setting 65 W eco mode in the BIOS. 9600X geomeans a bit higher than both in Phoronix’s suite when capped to the same power as the 7700, though. Zen 4 to 5’s an unusual generational increment in several ways, one of which is Zen 5’s efficiency in symmetric multithreading, so 33% more Zen 4 cores aren’t necessarily advantageous.

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As far as power supplies go check out psu circuit

You will never wonder if a power supply is good again

Good luck with the rest of the build.

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I’ve been looking at a whole lot of build reviews and whatnot and i can’t tell you how much most of the stuff i saw is similar or the same as you sayed.

I went for the 990pro ssd for nearly the same price which i wanna thank you for
Also you sayed the VAT is 17% but where im from its 25%… and i already included it in the price.

What im most in doubt about is the damn GPU. The sapphire pulse is 50€ cheaper than the nitro+ so idk if its worth it. And the motherboards are just so unchecked??? Like they dont seem to have any specs or bs and idk what to look at. Would be nice if you could recommend something.

Anyway thank you for all your time/research, and Merry Christmas:)

I haven’t regretted a GPU bump up from base model, which would be Sapphire Radeon 7800 XT to Sapphire Pulse 7800 XT in this case, I presume, though pricing and availability here’s in a post-holiday scramble with the base model actually costing more than the Pulse. Bumping to top end’s more mixed and Nitro’s usually a pretty high premium. Sapphire seems to have recognized this a while ago by introducing Pure between Pulse and Nitro, which is probably what I’d look at for a Sapphire 7800 XT as it’s fairly high power for a dual.

I’d consider PowerColor Hellhound and Red Devil to, which are
triple fan and priced on either side of the Pure here. Hellhound quiet BIOS is pretty quiet. Depending on local pricing Phantom Gaming 7800 XT’s maybe also worth checking as a cost effective option, though it’s currently the same as the Hellhound here and I’m not particularly impressed with temperatures, tonality, or sag on the Phantom Gaming 7700 XT I’ve built.

Already did, in a way, and the follow on I’d put is part of doing a good build is knowing what you’re picking for why. So if your build spreadsheet doesn’t already table out differences among motherboards’ of interest specs now would probably be a good time to go through the manuals for a config tradeoff assessment. I’d suggest including at least a couple non-B650(E) boards as out of group comparisons.

If you want a couple reference AM5 boards to work from I’d suggest B650 Pro RS and B650 Steel Legend (the B650E Steel’s different). Generally for builds like this on the exact choice of board doesn’t matter too much, but I’d say it’s still worth knowing the lane and peripheral options plus there’s no way around doing the mechanical checks.