I agree… That’s why I was suggesting ways so user will own and control their own data and intelligence. It’s a privacy first approach implementation. The solution is supposed to aid in crisis and not become a data hoarding gateway and profit machine for anyone… The only scope of the solution is the abstraction it caters to. The only beneficiaries are the users themselves by saving their lives…
I think maybe we’re just misunderstanding where each other is at a bit here, and thats probably on me too. I like your idea that we could come up with a better solution to the problems we’re facing. I like the thought experiment. I just also want something that we can know and agree is the better way so that people will use it willingly.
This part I cant get behind.
I wish I could see this working. If it was something truly useful though I wouldnt be opposed to profit here. Privacy and your data being paramount of course… but if there was a real value there then I’d be ok with a cost.
BUT ADUBS YOU ARENT GIVING ANY SOLUTIONS. YOU’RE JUST COMPLAINING AND TALKING ABOUT 'MUH RITES’
u rite
I dont really have any and I’m bad at being creative, but I know bad and good when I see it. I dont mind staying at home willingly, but when you tell me I have to… well I’m gonna start shopping on amazon for NODs and hawaiian shirts.
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the state next to me hasnt been issuing ‘shelter in place’ orders and they arent any worse off than where I am. Everyone is mostly doing the same thing somehow (even though I think this is the wrong approach). Most of the businesses are in a full ‘work from home’, or ‘not open to walk-ins’ type of setup anyway. From what I’ve seen, telling people to quarantine themselves only caused panic buying and fear.
Our current approach is bad, and I think we all agree with that, but probably disagree on how to deal with the problem of people being people.
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May be if you try seeing the implementation more closely then you’ll see it’s the most secure and thought from individual right point of view. You are not forced to share your data. there’re levels of contribution with your data and engagement. If your area is not affected a lot then you don’t need to. But where I am, it’s getting scary as we are experiencing level 2 lock-down, building being sealed, all shops are complete shut. We are now thinking how will arrange resources if it goes on for 6-8 weeks more.
That’s what this framework does, it evaluates the scenarios with participation and runs the simulation, so it can suggest you, responders and providers the appropriate action to protect and function. Make resources available for people in need. I’ll give you a scenario, we use LPG cylinders for cooking. It runs out during lock down then what happens? Having such frameworks in place makes things function in dire situation.
I don’t see it like that. I think you are as important as people making solutions. I have been conceptualizing such solutions for years and no one pays any attention to even question me. you asking question and pointing our flaws makes you as important of a contributor. I genuinely appreciate that.
Unfortunately solutions like this but shittier implementation is being deployed currently… I’m merely trying to point out the better features, implementation with privacy intact… I’m more interested in solving problem than implementing it myself… And if it’s implemented by someone else with some caveat then I’ll be ready to question them like you did.
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If I had UBI and free healthcare id stop being productive. Probably sit at home getting fat and play video games all day.
This would effectively allow me to self quarantine indefinitely.
Problem solved.
Find a way to make it so.
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Hilarious. 
You will probably get tired of playing games and start evaluating your purpose and how you can contribute in better ways.
It depends on how the UBI is implemented. I have different take on UBI than what UBI usually means.
Like attention network, I think of UBI to be a network and it’s users get compensation for participant and contribution.
First thing I need to make clear that, UBI Network is not a socialist or communist in nature. UBI is basically a value exchange system. Lowest form of contribution is participation in the network, any additional effort is contribution and compensated accordingly. Additional contributor can mean anything. Like agreeing to test certain diet for 4 weeks, or educating or learning something.
It’s possible to extract value of an individual through various applications in which individual participation becomes valuable, also providing compensation to participants for their contribution and data anonymously.
It creates motivation for people to participate and contribute in all sorts of simulation studies at the same time solve real world problems…
Again it’s a collective framework where you do benchmarking, cross-referencing and it has potential to solve biggest optimization problems such as healthcare, diet, natural disasters, pandemics etc…
this will give you better idea…
healthcare is a tough nut to crack. so many people go to the hospital when they dont need to and I dont see any easy way to prevent time wasting there. local urgent cares are probably the best approach so people could be evaluated to see if they require real emergency treatment.
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If people had greater insights to their health and guided with their wellness companion then they’ll not go as much. It can be done with setting a baseline for the user health and then monitor holistically.
Example, your wellness companion knows a tons about you because you tell things to it, when you have hangover, when you experience anxiety or fatigue etc. over the time it will understand you and suggest you like… hey dude, you eat that shit and do this and that that make you crazy anxious or whatever… Also user health can be bench-marked with other users like you who have similar to you in age, life-style, diet whatever. so it can tell you, dudes like you developed this disorder or that problem etc and you have high probability too… and when to visit doctor etc
I’m all for educating people and people monitoring their own health, but I dont know if that will realistically stop that behavior of people going to the ER when they dont actually have an emergency. Thats a bit more than simply educating the masses I think
I agree, that’s why I said guiding around personal benchmark based on scientific, statistics and medical benchmarks. which is more than educating and wellness companion does that for you… It can be tied with UBI compensation and people will be more motivated to change their behaviors and keep their health in checks etc.
Oh yeah, nice. Depending on your effort input, you receive promotions.
This would be so much better than a job.
Damnit! All this time and effort in decrlentralizing and limiting my data exposure has been wasted. Would an ai of sorts solve this problem? Somehow all of my information on health (physucal and mental) and activities (both current, past and predicted) need to be compared against others. A global platform may be the only way to achive this. Simple encryption would stop any misuse.
I don’t think jobs will go away. job has it’s own perks… people can keep job and also keep making additional income or UBI by participating and contributing in the network in all sorts of ways…
Data is not directly exposed but at service level integration. One thing I want to stress on, we are all data-points and we produce each individually produce gazzilions of datapoints. You data is extremely valueble but what makes exponentially more valuable is connecting with others data-points in all sorts of ways and seeing the patterns. This keeps giving you compensation at the same time solve real world problems.
AI can solve this problem and it’s actually possible with current technology right now. If we didn’t have this data hoarding and monopolizing culture then solutions like this would have been reality already… I am pretty sure… My guestimate is, it will solve 90% of all health and mental disorders.
The implementation would have to different… even the software service architecture will change to implement privacy first approach. We all have our own AISelf, meaning we all have to rent or own a cloudbox or computeblock which is secure and encrypted. you can probably keep it on your computer or phone…
It needs to be implemented like internet and decentralized. think of democratization of intelligence with privacy at each abstraction level.
I would call it simulation platform or abstraction platform… This is like a mirror dimension where you can do abstraction, test ideas, do massive studies with participation before implementing into real world. Simulation results then can be used by all kinds of people to aid their heuristics and to make policies etc.
Ok. That was pretty funny.
Yeah but so far the biggest symptoms of this pandemic have gone completely untreated, including toilet paper hoarding psychosis and an inability to make original conversation.
How do we treat that first?
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So, it’s not Universal?
The core, fundimental component of UBI is the U.
UBI is a system of redistribution of wealth, not a value exchange. You might have a different concept of what this policy you’re proposing is, but you might want to rename it to something that is more accepted by the vast majority of the public. Something like the Health Dividend?
Every single study of UBI has seen results that support this thought. It increases depression and decreases productivity across the board.
God, that’s worse than having an unwiped butt
Like, I can use a leaf.
I can’t continue Duo calling my girlfriend if all she’s gonna do is recite what MSNBC said about the beer flu today.
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I wish I could opt out of the neetbux being deposited to my account
I guess money printer is still gonna go brrr
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Don’t worry, they’re already discussing round 2. You might be able to miss out on that one.
Most people are just repeaters because everybody is watching same hysterical stuff… and we use bum gun here…
apart from that I am not sure I understand what you mean? but most of the behaviors and psychosis arise from not grasping logistical insights… targeted education might help.? meaning express in the language so user understands… may be give some assurance?
You are right, but I’m using UBI because there’s will be minimum compensation as participant of the network like UBI safety-net. I am not really sure though… you could call it barter network instead of UBI network…
Well my main point is that before we could tackle this problem, we would have to fix the ‘people’ problem.
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this sounds suspiciously like money in exchange for data