Case suggestions for a Multi-GPU pcie backplane

So i’ve recently gone full in on local AI, and i’ve bootstrapped my poor old x570 with 2 amd R9700 GPU’s and have been amazed at watching my little hermes agent actually do stuff.

The success i’ve had with this has made me want to get more PCIE lanes so i can add more cards, obviously i first wanted to buy a full threadripper system, unfortunately RDIMM’s right now are more expensive than the GPU’s themselves (i’ve seen single sticks of 64gb rdimm go for up to 2k each, holy shit XD)

ENTER ALIEXPRESS: https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005010716954872.html

Now if i’m right this would allow me to split my single x16 into 64 lanes (with a bottleneck), even potentially enabling PCIE p2p within my passthrough VM, and giving me the breathing room to add another 2 gpu’s

So far so good, however there appears to be no cases available which could hold both my x570d4u board and this backplane, or even just a standalone case for this.

So i have come here for the wisdom of the crowds, if anyone has tips/suggestions or better yet concrete links to purchasable product, a standalone case would be nice, but if there is a case where i could fit both of these, that’d be the dream.

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Threadrippers use UDIMMs, don’t they? At least, up to the 3000 series. EPYC are the ones that use RDIMMs.

Assuming I’m right, you can probably spend the same amount overall by selling the existing X570 and CPU.

https://www.kingston.com/en/memory/server-memory/memory-population-rules-wrx90-trx50

atleast for 7 and 9 generations they seem to have moved to RDIMM, and if im going threadripper i’d want to have something that supports pcie 5.0

pulling up a random asus board also shows r-dimm:

plus if i could get passthrough p2p pcie working through a PLX chip that’d be one hell of a bonus

I would look for Mining Frames, and Rendering Frames for multi GPU setups.

i saw a few but, wasn’t sure whether the mounting holes would line up for the PLX board

edit: ie like this Value 12xgpu open air GPU mining rig frame/case.

They typically have the option to add securement where needed. Every board doesn’t have universal mounting holes like ATX. The BTC mine I visitied had PCIe expander boards ziptied to the frames

well atleast theyre cheap :P, so no harm done if it doesnt work

Mabey instead of the backplane board i’d be better of with a card like this :

https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005010576284339.html

and a quad pack of these

https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005007205208267.html

together with an open-frame mining bench, its a bit jank but i could indeed just tie-rep them to the card

heck if i wanted to at some point i could even go for 10 cards at x8, for a total of 320GB of VRAM, talk about scaling…..though ittd start to compete with my car for power draw at that point

It’s all about Balance. You could just get the 2L2T (ROMED8 with many PCIe) x570 board and use 3 on one board

edit: I confused model terms there.

Honestly for LLM use, you want those high speed links.

true enough, i’ve ordered an open frame though, i think i’ll just start with a passive pcie to mcio card using bifurcation that should atleast prove the setup for a relatively minor cost, with an easy path forward later

the RDIMM’s alone would bankrupt me though :sweat_smile:

as for the high speed links i’m kind of hoping having P2P would enable that through the PLX chip, sure initial model load from the CPU would take long-ish but i tend to leave the stuff resident in vram anyway

https://www.ebay.com/itm/188382906282 with ram
Lots of used high PCIe lane systems I’d buy first, but a $600 backplane is a investment

If you can get 4 GPU’s to work on bifur slots over a X570 CPU I’m here for the worklog

I’ve used bifurcation a lot already with these asrockrack boards, generally speaking not an issue. i’m more interested in getting P2P working with rocm somehow on my janktastic prosumer setup so for me personally the PLX chips are very interesting,

anyway first i’ll start migrating everything to the mining frame once it arrives

Trying to do something like this?

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Yeah pretty much, though frankensteining 80 pcie4.0 lanes onto the x570 with a plx chip kind of tickles my inner nerd.

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It’s fun. :smiley:

Though I’m sure you’ve seen the threads from Wendel where he’s trying to get a software solution in place. PCIe switches are just the cheat code to getting it to reliably to work if your BIOS doesn’t let you prevent PCIe traffic from routing through the CPU.

Ah i haven’t yet actually, i’m pretty new here (though following L1 youtube for years), finally joined the forum because i needed actual help and the discourse here seems mostly honest/positive.

Has anyone ever gotten P2P to work through a PLX chip in a pass-through proxmox setup before?

I don’t really want to run my inference on the bare-metal :stuck_out_tongue: , though i’m aware that i’m only making an already difficult thing even harder .

Well the forums has this:

The PLX switching is an interesting angle. Haven’t thought about PLX as a computer acronym in memory. Neat tech

Nvidia’s NVSwitch is basically a very fast and more advanced pcie switch chip, and this is what they use to get a bunch of GPUs into a single server. So using a PLX type chip of older generation for a homebrew consumer setup should work very well.