So since you're so keen to get people off consoles I thought it might be cool if you suggested a build that'd be able to play all the new games at the same quality as the new consoles. I would then suspect this p.c should be able to play all games released for the consoles life span.
(P.S since it just happened again because I forget things, it would be cool if you were in a forum section and hit new post if it auto selected that section in the drop down box for where you want your post posted.)
Okay so the new consoles arn't that powerful. If we look at the PS4 the gpu is 1.83 TFlops and a HD 7850 at stock is 1.78 TFlops and the 8 core in the ps 4 is clocked at 1.6 ghz
So here is the ps4 with outs a disk drive with an FX 8150 http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1txSX
but because the clock speed in the 8150 is so much more than the ps4 we could do the same thing with an FX 6300 and just oc to 4ghz. If your woried about heat then just up the cpu to an fx 6350 @3.9ghz
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ty4Y
EDIT* and we get about the almost the same power from an apu A10-6800k with faster ram and a hd 7750. (about 1.3Tflops at 80% scaling) http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ty8w
the only thing that the PS4 has over these builds is a bluray player and more Video ram. People think that with the 6gb avalible to developers to use the console could push out 4k video. for 1080p or 720p the systems above are just as good.
EDIT* The all out build under 1k would be this with a 6gb 7970 http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tOpt
There's also one more thing they have over PCs. A whole lot more optimization. Why do you think current-gen consoles have lasted this long?
Sure an A10 and 6670 combo might be slightly more powerful than the both consoles specs, but both consoles can still beat it in terms of graphical fidelity because they are optimized way more( meaning they can squeeze out more power from the parts).
So yeah, you'd need to spend a lot more than just an A10+6670 combo to beat the consoles.
This. These "kill your console" videos and builds drive me nuts because no matter how much people will say it will match the console's specs, the consoles will just outperform them due to optimization in that price range, so I don't see how these budget builds will "kill your console" in terms of graphical fidelity. I mean, if you're just in the PC gaming field just for the cheap games and want a budget build of $400, go right ahead, but if you think you will build a PC that will outperform the PS4 and Xbox One in the $400-500 price range, you're out of your mind. You might have a point about 4-5 years in the life cycle, but as of right now, you just can't.
Rant over, I'll be playing Pikmin 3 and Chivalry in the meantime.
My idea is that to build a PC that you'll be really happy with for a very long time you should use a budget of the console you wanted to buy + the cost of a cheap laptop because a PC isnt just a console its also a multi purpose computer and can do much more. And even at that budget, in the course of a few years it will be cheaper than a console due to game prices, reliablilty (how many consoles die each year??) and free online play.
Consol optimization = smaller maps, less players, less textures, less particles, less effects, smaller resolution lower fps, crap audio, and controls.
If you wanna get into price. You don't need a whole new PC, and you can't upgrade a consol. So buy a whole new consol and pay consol price for games. OR with that consol money upgrade your PC with a couple new PC parts and enjoy:
cheaper games, more games, better audio/video components, less noise, more versitality, the ability to fix your own machine, max resolution, a keyboard, multi-talking, money making, massive storage, no scratched discs... pretty much every single thing you ask your consol to do a pc will to better for cheaper. With one single exeption. The PC buyer has to be involved in the process. You cant just go to a store come home with a box plug it in and play. You gotta build it, install everything, and troubleshoot bullcrap more often then consols. Small price to pay if you ask me. Oh and did I mention consols are terrible?
The consoles from what i have heard is about a 7790. Flops arent really a good benchmark for example the 7970 runs at 3,789 gigaflops but the 680 runs at 3,090 gigaflops but they are about equal in power.
With the next gen consoles coming out, your completely right. In terms of performance vs price, current PC builds won't be able to beat it. Not just due to the optomization of games, but also the fact that the consoles don't need to also run a huge encumbering OS in the background while you run your game (like all PC's do). However give it 3 years and the tables will have turned again just like you said.
As a couple people have hinted at in the replies, it's not just about the hardware specs. Yes the specs for both the Xbone and the PS4 def arn't as amazing in processing power as a lot of gaming rigs that one can buy or build today. You can argue all day long what "optomization" for the games on the consoles actually is, un-less your a programmer FOR the game, don't be saying things that the game does in it's programming to optomize it, because it's not just the game. Its the biggest thing consoles have always had over PC's since console and PC gaming first existed. Consoles have no overarching operating system to run which saves a TON of processing power, if you were able to turn of Win 7, 8, or Mac OSX and just JUST your game, the perfomance boost you would get would be phenominal. Between that and games for consoles being able to be written to take advantage of specific hardware specs, instead of PC games having to be programmed to run on such a wide range of hardware, thats another point of the "optimization" scale.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer my PC gaming over console gaming anyday but making a PC system that can outperform/equal performance with the consoles right now for the same or LESS in price is highly improbably, and I guess we won't find out until the consoles are out and we can do some actual comparisons.
Everybody needs to take a breath and think about what they're talking about. Consoles and PC's are not yet directly comparable.. so this apples to apples hardware discussion needs to end. Also, I dont think optimization is the right word youre looking for in regards to console performance. The consoles operate on custom API's that are written specifically to understand and use every last bit of hardware packed into them. Graphics and performance will slowly improve throughout the next generation because of improvements made within the API. This is why we have 'emulators' that mimic hardware virtually to allow different hardware configs to run those custom APIs. Truth be told, if you want to come close to the next gen consoles you probably wont get away with spending less than a grand on a new rig. Because youre going to need raw horsepower to push DirectX or whatever graphics API you end up running because its never going to be tailored code thats written just for you.. like it is in the consoles. PC will always be head and shoulders over consoles because of its open platform, its scalabilty and its versatility.. but dont kid yourself in thinking youre making a killer gaming machine for under $500
We were talking about next-gen consoles. Sure, games like Battlfield 3 on the consoles are cut down versions of the PC ones, but with the new consoles, they are able to handle what an average-to-high end PC can.
I'd like you to build a PC for at $400 that comes with everything you need: the tower, a mouse & keyboard, an OS, and at least a 500GB HDD. And no cheating by buying used parts. Now, take that build, and see if it can beat the next-gen consoles in terms of graphical fidelity. It will most likely NOT. To beat, or at least match, the next-gen consoles, you would need to spend at least $700. Sure, you can argue that games are cheaper on the PC, but is that what most people think about when they're considering their options for gaming?
You can kill the current gen consoles for cheap. Next gen is next gen. We don't have them yet. We haven't seen the quality difference in ports from console to PC and vice versa. You can't compare just yet. By the time the next gen consoles are released, AMD will have the 9000 series out, GTX800 will be right around the corner and we can only speculate on prices and performance of those as well as what the price drops of the last gen cards wiil be. So hold on for a bit.
My thinking is that pc is just better more games more versitile machine I would rather have a athlon x2 and a 7750 then settle for a console.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1v2Yj
This is what I show people that want to kill there console the graphical performace my not beat the newest consoles but it will play at 1080p and its got something on the consoles it a computer and its upgradable easy to put 8gb of ram and the drop an HD8850 when it comes out plus cheap games.
If you can build a pc that can play games reasonably well at 4k resolution and match the price point on any next gen consoles then go for it. I wish you luck. :)
people need to stop compareing TFlops on these shitboxes thay have nothing to do with gpu perfomance.
Its a measure of compute performance something thats more looked in to for things like bitcone mineing.
Dont you find it strange the next gen cant play in 60fps? and there are 2 new amd gpu's (HD7730 AND HD 7790) these are more likely the next gen shitbox gpu's.
Cry about it if you whant but if your buying 'nextgen' expecting A 7870 in a box you are going to be very disappointed.