Hey there.
I know the hobbit has a 48fps floating around. I viewed a sample and I sorta enjoyed the extra 24fps compared to most movies being 24 or 30.
Do you know of any films other than the game cut-scenes on Youtube that have a high frame rate?
Film makers are hesitant about making films at higher frame rates, because it apparently give them a soap opera feel.
Basically, the movie industry doesn't like change.
James Cameron might be doing the Avatar sequels at 60fps, but nothing's confirmed.
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ooh. I think they should film it at 60fps, so they can render it at 24 and 60 and sell the 60fps at a premium online.
Sounds like a great idea to me!
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video for film and TV does not benefit the same way that rendered video on a pc benefits from increases in frame rate.
Film cameras and Video cameras have a set refresh rate and as such there is motion blur which allows for smooth but soft or slightly out of focused motion which mimics how your eyes work. your computer does not do that in games because of the added computational power needed and it can be overcome much easier by adding frames for less computational load that the filter would require.
Along with that it would double the file size of your program which would make digital distribution for HD programs as hard as it is for 4k right now.
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The main reason higher frame rates benefit games more than film is the interactivity. Games at higher frame rates are more responsive. No one would complain about 30 fps games if they handled like 120 fps games.
Personally I don't like the effect of high frame rate movies, I have heard that if you watch one all the way through that'll change your mind, but I don't know.
If you're interested in 60 fps video but don't actually have any to watch, you might be interested in SVP.
I think there might be a 2001: A Space Odyssey in 60 fps somewhere, but I did not see it yet.
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SVP sounds neat. I'll have to mess around with that. Thanks
So I just went to see Dr. Strange, and I'm sure it's partly because we were stuck closer to the screen, but I've noticed it with other films when I was sat much further back. Movies are blurry as shit. I don't understand how people could complain about the 48fps version of The Hobbit. 24fps is so painful to watch in a film with a lot of action and if there is just a little horizontal panning, it's unbearable. I don't get how people don't want higher fps. I'm not demanding 60, but 48 seems like a decent goal to reach for.
From discussions with a colleague of mine who works on framerates of video, it seems that Hollywood is more against it because it makes convincing CGI far more difficult. If you only have to design special effects for a 24fps target, then trying to move to 48fps and keeping it looking smooth would mean a lot more work, I believe. I imagine this is one of the things holding it back. The special effects in The Hobbit were pretty bad, but at higher frame rates it really emphasises it.
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I remember having to endure a crappy Batman movie because the film we wanted to see was sold out. Most of the movie was BM pummeling thugs in dark alleys at 24 fps. At first I complained "I can't see what is going on?" Then I said "It's not like I actually care about watching this shitty movie, so maybe not being able to see it is a good thing."
I think first you have to differentiate between 24fps on the screen and the shutter speed that is used while filming because that makes a huge difference. You can absolutely shoot 24 frames a second with 1/1000 second shutter speed and you would kill any motion blur.
Okay perhaps motion blur wasn't the big issue, it's just how your eyes perceive the stuttering as it pans. I think at that framerate your eyes seem to be struggling with whether to automatically blur the transitions or to actually try and focus on individual frames. Unfortunately they don't do well with either attempt.
No one wants to bring up Youtube allowing 60fps video?
Okay, no, it's not quite the cinematic experience of a hollywood blockbuster, but it can at least give you a general idea of whether you like the experience or not.
Personally, I like watching youtube videos at 60fps (and I'm not just talking about gameplay videos). I render all my own videos at 60fps even though it's not necessary simply because I think it looks sharper and more clear to me.
That said, I have no problem with 24 or 30fps video - obviously there is little benefit to all the extra data required for a 60fps film.
Why the necro on this thread?
Also, I saw the hobbit movies in 3D 48fps. I absolutely loved it.
I also noticed a few things:
- Less blur, more detail.
- Sub-par acting sticks out much easier. You just pick up on all the body language so easily.
- Particle effects now look amazing.... (at 24fps they look like smoke)
- (You're correct that 48fps is TWICE as much work for CGI which can mean twice the budget is required)
Wasnt that avatar movie @ 60fps
Wait did I drag this up? I just barely scrolled down the front page and this popped up, I hadn't even realised. My bad.
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As far as I know movies are recorded at 24 fps, but some TV's add extra blurry frames in between to give the illusion of a smoother frame rate.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong though
That is correct as I understand it, but some TVs do a horrible job and everything looks so inorganic.
I think hardcore henry would have been better at 60FPS. All the fast moving action was little crazy at 24FPS.
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3D movies with active glasses are always minimum 100 Hz, just because that's the way it works, you have to have double the framerate and it has to be a smooth framerate.
The movies of that star extreme snowboarder, his name is not coming to me at the moment, who's films are in theaters every year, that's all high framerate, minimum 60 fps.