Yup that is pretty much the only reasonable choice there is.
At least up to a 3700X and 3800X.
I would not recommend to slam a 3900X on that.
Al though it will of course work, but the vrm will get really hot.
Unless you can really properly cool the vrm.
Still $289,- for that board is just a terrible price.
Unless that are Aussie prices?
Because in Us dollars it should not cost more then $170.- ish.
Canadian Rupees ya im out. Sit on a 4770k for another year. wanna go from 4 to 8 cores
Sure it can.
But what i was trying to say is, why would you limit,
a Ryzen 7 system by going with a B450 board?
I mean with those kind cpuĀ“s you would like to get the full,
potential out the platform right?
And then iĀ“m not even talking about overclocking.
But iĀ“m just talking about features in general.
I mean i agree if you donĀ“t need pci-e4.0, then X470,
will be a good choice as well.
But B450 i donĀ“t really see many reasons to go with that,
for a Ryzen 7 cpu.
Because you simply miss out on all the latest and greatest then.
the x470 are zoolander rediculusly expensive $500+
Yeah thatĀ“s why i generally say for Ryzen 7 and up,
just go for X570 by now really.
It does not really make a whole lot of sense,
to go with a 2 year old board by now.
Normally it would because sh*ts figued out and is cheaper. but not amd.
Well there has been a time not too long ago,
that certain x470 boards like the Asrock x470 Taichi / Ultimate,
or the Asus Crosshair VII Hero were really great choices.
Because they were significantly cheaper then their x570 counter parts.
And for the x470 Taichi ultimate, that was pretty much the cheapest way to get 10G nic on AMD Ryzen.
Al though Asrock does not support bios flashback on the x470 taichi.
However with the current corona situation,
and those boards getting really old,
and of course many people boaght them already.
They are hard to get, and there for back up expensive again.
true nuff next cycle
When Iāve talked to friends building a system who have questions after the fact, or people Iāve helped in forums I see the same issues;
A lot of those complaints can be derived from one of the 4 issue listed above.
Manufacturers not giving a shit
AMD not providing enough information
Column A, Column B.
I fit neither of the four and I had serious issues. Iāve calmed down about it, but the UEFI/Boot times have been utter trash out of the box. It took some serious tweaking to get them manageable. Even then, my 4th gen i5 dances on what I have now.
3800X
ASUS X570-Pro
32GB Ribjaws V 2666 C15
@AnotherDev letās talk about that RAM for starters. Also, what BIOS revision are you on?
Iām running a 3800X on a AORUS X470 Gaming 7 w/ 32GB TeamGroup 3200mt/s C14 OCād to 3533mt/s C14 w/ 1.45v. OS on a Intel 660p in top M.2 slot. I also have 2 HDDās in RAID 1 via chipset, and a SanDisk 6.4tb PCIe SSD in bottom PCIe slot, and my boot times are pretty quick, Iād say 15-17 seconds at most from cold to typing in password. Itās just a hair faster on boot than my 1800X @ 4.05ghz was in my AORUS x370 Gaming K7 baord w/ the same RAM not OCād.
EDIT: Just timed it, itās actually 40 seconds from cold to typing in password at login. I was a bit off on my guess, still though given everything it has to load through, itās not bad and I have fast boot disabled in BIOS.
Iāll take a rain check. Iāve spent months on this and have had assistance getting it to bearable. I am on the latest BIOS update.
My last computer (i7 4790k) booted in 4 seconds. Thatās pressing power button to logging in. My secondary workstation (i5 45 something) boots in 7 seconds. My AMD boots in 26 seconds.
Needless to say Iām disappointed.
@AnotherDev just checked ASUS site, and QVL list for your board, thereās only one kit mentioned at 2666 C15 speeds by G.Skill and itās the F4-2666C15Q-32GRR kit which from G.Skills website is listed for X99 platform but doesnāt mean it wont work on other platforms. That being said, youāre running RAM at 2666, when for Zen2 if you want optimal you want 3600mt/s C16, 3600mt/s C14 if you can obtain, to match infinity fabric speeds. Just pointing out the obvious in that you do fall under the category of #2 buying RAM thatās not optimal for your setup. Just saying. Even mine isnāt optimal for my 3800X, but the tighter timings help out on that 66mt/s difference.
Lol how is any of what you said āobviousā? Back in my day, you bought RAM that was compatible and it worked.
No, you said:
Thatās not what I did. I didnāt buy the cheapest RAM, nor the cheapest board.
Sounds like AMD sucks at engineering <---- Before anyone blows up this is a joke.
Iām dealing with the consequences of my uninformed purchase. When I did an Intel build, it was easy. I grabbed a mobo, grabbed a CPU, and grabbed some RAM, then went to town. AMD clearly has different features and functionality that makes some components/clocks/RAM more optimal.
@AnotherDev you bought what you could afford, not what fits the needs of what you want. If you didnāt buy the cheaper RAM, then why didnāt you get 3200mt/s C14 speed RAM or better? Zen2 has native 3200mt/s RAM speed support, and matching the infinity fabric you want 3600mt/s. This information came out shortly after the NDA lifted for reviewers, and they were all over this given Zen and Zen+ based test with RAM issues and performance gains with better RAM.
Youāre right, what I said in #2 was āthey buy the cheapest RAM they canā and given you got 2666mt/s vs 3200mt/s, Iād say Iām right, you bought what you could afford and not what fit your needs. That RAM is also not optimal for your setup, because again you bought what you could afford and not what you need. (from what you said above, you reused parts from a old build, is what it is, but it was not a optimal move for a completely different platform)
Given Intel and how anti competitive theyāve been throughout the years, thereās a reason thereās issues with RAM and Ryzen. Notice how like 90% of RAM kits say āIntel XMP Profileā or āIntel Z390 Platformā etc. Itās because they catered those modules and binned them to be as optimal to work with Intel CPU memory controllers as possible. Now, youāre seeing RAM kits saying stuff like āSpecifically designed for AMD Ryzen platformā and āRyzen 3000 compatibleā because this was such an issue with the IMCās on the DIMMās and the memory controller on the Ryzen CPUās.
I could have afforded a Threadripper third gen or 3950X, but they werenāt out yet and my workstation shit the bed.
Micro Center was sold out of CAS 14 RAM.
AMD is no prize either. They censor their own community.
They censor? Iād like to know more.