Zibob's MagicForce "Just Do It" One Month...+ Post

For my One Month "Just Dü Eettt" I wanted to both teach myself some soldering skills and play around with keyboards. So luck me that I had bought a cheapo keyboard for the sole purpose of soldering on and very possible destroying in the process.

The actual work is half way done now and I have enough to post. So the first half of this is the Spring swapping the switches, adding SIP sockets for LEDs and then finally desoldering all of the current switches and soldering in the new customised switches. unfortunately in my usual style running photography of the process is not one of my strong points so this will mostly be text and a few images (all out of order of course) , there will be an album at the end of all the images not fit to post.

Before I started this I had never really soldered before and I had heard that desoldering was the harder side of the deal. This was very correct, took me forever to get all the switches out of the board. Bits of solder sticking to the pins, solder sucker not quite sucking up all the solder, rookie mistakes and steep learning curves, all of these are things I had to deal with and overcame, sometimes with the help of brüte force. The first problem was that wonderful environmental friendly lead free solder, this just does not even move till you really jack up he heat and annoyingly for solder suckers solidifies really quickly once the heat is off. So the first hour of the actual soldering was half assed and messy, but in the end I got it and I don't think I did too terrible a job of it.

The look pretty clean, A few did stick even after sucking the solder and reflowing it with more solder and trying to suck it out again, just would not work for me. So in that case there were only a few left stuck in so I pried the switch up a bit and hit it with the heat and once the solder melted the switch came free, like I said brute force.
For those trying this themselves, a few tips that helped me though maybe not best practice. Melt the solder on the pin and while keeping the heat on it put the solder sucker over the end of the pin and on the far side from the iron and hit it. Should do it 90% of the time. If a little solder sticks around flow some solder back into the hole again and hold the heat on it to make sure all of it is fluid before sucking it up. Also helpful is to put a little pressure on the the pin and wiggle it just a little once you think it is liquid to make sure as sometime the oxidized skin on the solder will not go shiny, so the wiggle will move it and you will know.

So once all the desoldering was done well it was reverse time. So here is a shot of my soldering.

Good enough for me.

So onward and someway discretionary roundwards to the switches, springs and SIPs.

These were a massive time consuming hole in the day. Coming to think of it I will remedy the missing pictures and details later with some more pictures when part two of this is complete for now HEAR MY WORDS! Opening Gateron switches, which is what i am using in this, is the same as Cherry switches for those who have done or seen that. There are four tabs on the sides of the switch, two on each side, and you have to lift them up in my case with a small flat head, then while holding the switch a little open do the other side. One tab at a time, four per switch, 68 switches and that is only part of what ate up such time. Once you have them all open it looks like this.

After that I installed the SIP sockets and this project being the walk in the park it stared out as was never going to be easy. Nope they came molded in black plastic which you would normally just cut to length and slot the whole line in, well switches are small, too small to fit the plastic molding so every socket had to be cut from the plastic and individually flipped rights side up and pushed through the slightly too small hole in the bottom of the switch. Yup 138 of them but hey the things we do for our hobbies. You can see a strip of them on the left in this next picture along with the bank of switches all with installed SIP sockets and new 100g gold springs, Oh yeah I forgot to mention these are now 100g linear switches, Crazy Right?!

The worrying part was that the pins for the SIP sockets were not long, I think I messed up the order but first time and all, which is really annoying seeing as they were the part that help this entire project up. There is a picture in the album of the little stubby pins and you may or may not have noticed but there was nothing sticking through the holes for the LEDs in the earlier soldering pictures. Yup the legs for the sockets do not make it through the PCB, only barely sitting flush but while part two of this is the LEDs there is at lease one LED on the board all ready, the ever hated CAPS LOCK key, and I can report that even though soldering the ting legs looks horribly ropy I could poke the tip of the iron through the the end f the leg and the solder did take on those little things even though they did not make it through the board. Again picture missing but I will fix that in part two.

So onward from black OutEmu Switches...

...to new custom Clear/Yellow Gateron switches.

That is all for now really, I will have final pictures and many better ones for the next part which is likely to be many hours of frustration as i solder on 1mm X 2mm surface mount resistors and get the light show going.

For now have a terribly light sneak peak of the final board next to my very yellow Filco.

More next time with more explanation as to why I am going these things, Until then ask if you want to know anything.

Oh yeah the Album: https://imgur.com/a/YxFVY And I have typed this all on the board so it is all working still, FuckYeah!

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Very, cool what keyboard is it that you started with?

A board called Magicforce 68 there are two, one with LEDs and one without, I have the one without and will be modding them in. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Qisan-Mechanical-Keyboard-68-Keys-Magicforce-y/dp/B01A9QOLV8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1461093824&sr=8-5&keywords=magicforce+68 real cheap.

The LED mod, will you also program some light patterns or you will make constant light? My guess with intensity control? What is your plan about the LEDs?

Unfortunately for the LED mod there will be no control over it, just a on/off toggle. The other version of the board with the LEDs all ready installed has brightness control but for hat ever reason they spun two different version of the PCB for backlight and non backlight. Pattern are right out, there is nothing like that even in the LED version.

There is some back and forward over what this one can actually do but the only source of someone tat may have done it is in Chinese. There are spots for resistors and what looks like a spot for a transistor coming off the controller but people are not sure what should go there and if it did would the differing controllers have the same LED control on the different boards.

So at the moment the plan is to ghetto mod in LEDs by jumping power from the USB pins straight to the board and hook a switch in the middle for on/off.

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Well, designing a running lights effect (wave throughout the entire keyboard) isn't that difficult to design... also it should not be that difficult to do some cross checking for row and column etc. light effects. All hardware though, on separate platter.
Just throwing some ideas out there...

I would have no idea where to start with any of that. All the LED stuff for it is part of the PCB right now just no fully populated with resistors to make it work, so any deep changing of the circuit is not going to happen.

There is also zero information on the controller used so no way to program it.

I see... I was thinking you are going to build the LED lighting from scratch... And i guess you will use the basis, provided from the PCB...

I would like to work out how the native LED version works because the Chinese guy seems to have it working with out jumping power, I just can't read what he did. There are a few different versions of this mod now from different sources but all using the existing boards circuits.

@psycho_666 This is the only information about the missing part.

這個地方應該是燈路控制區域,Q2處應焊上貼片三極體,我不懂電路,不知道需要什麼型號的,機械鍵盤吧只有關於鴨子2108改2108s的帖子,這個應該不適用。我就不再弄了,我這樣也可以用FN+上方向鍵控制三級亮度,就是不太亮。

Which badly translates to:
This place should be the light path control area, Q2 should be at the welded patch triode, I do not know the circuit, I do not know what type of mechanical keyboard it posts only about 2108 ducks change the 2108s, this should not apply. I will not get another, so I can also use the FN + direction keys to control three brightness is less bright.

Along with this picture:

And dis discussion about it on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4ecmek/howto_add_resistors_and_leds_to_nonbacklit/d1zoemi

All from the original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4ecmek/howto_add_resistors_and_leds_to_nonbacklit/d1zoemi

This is exactly why i was thinking, that you would have tried to design the light system yourself... Because knowing what the engineers was thinking at the moment of designing is impossible...
HOWEVER...

You can use something like this, and with combination of resistors make a few brightness settings completely separated from the keyboard itself.
My guess is you will not even want to go anywhere near timers and hand made NAND cells etc, to control the light programs, so that is like the easiest implementation, that will be effective without wasting time and too much effort.

You are right I would not go anywhere near that, not for this board anyway, maybe in the future. I have a switch for mine all ready, I though about a multi toggle with resistors for brightness but decided I only really want on or off and it simplifies things, So I have that part planned.

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Way to be so creative Zibob! Awesome stuff!

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Wonderful job! Just so you know, if a solder is shiny and round, it's good and well cooked!

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Thank you, @DeViLzzz too. Yeah i got the signs pretty quick, but too a few practice runs.

@Zibob you might want to look into de-solder wick for the next time. might be better than a sucker. only good suckers are the one with the heated tips.

This one worked really well once I got used to it.

yeah. but wick is really easy. put it on the solder and heat it up.

And not reusable.

true. bout the only downfall.