x870e/x870 are based on the identical chip (silicon wise) as x670/b650. I don’t agree AMD’s naming regarding this.
Currently have the server on a 3600, debating upgrading it with 9700X if the price are good, but I may just buy a 5900x if it gets cheaper that 200. Will probably take difference on that and upgrade my wife’s PC which shes on a 5600x system.
If memory serves, asrock are doing quite a few dual nic boards this time, but it’s mostly 5gbe+2.5gbe and down… Still quite nice that this is potentially coming back a little bit, even on some of their cheaper boards.
I currently have one of the few dual nic X570 boards that I could find for a reasonable price, the msi torpedo max. If I’m going to upgrade, I would like another dual nic board 
The X870E is dual chipset which is at least a little interesting. 
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Ok memory definitely did not seem to serve, as I can’t find any info on that now, and asrock x870 boards seem to only have a single nic… Not even sure who’s boards I was thinking of, or if they were even AMD or Intel boards now 
Edit: Apparently asrock Z890 boards: The Taichi Aqua has a 10gbe and a 5gbe nic, and lower end models have 5gbe+2.5gbe
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I have a 3900x and its still doing fine and I don’t necessarily intend to upgrade as soon as 9000 is widely available…
That said, where do I sit in the lounge if I want to breathe heavily?
I don´t think that any of the Asrock X870 and X870E boards will come with dual nic´s.
I find that a little bit disappointing as well but i can kinda understand why.
Still i´m personally really interested in the X870E Nova or the X870E Taichi lite.
It´s really going to a matter of the price differences between those two particular boards.
Looks nice, but I wish there where one or two more PCIe slots. I would prefer that over m2 slots.
With just two PCIe slots, one is for GPU, one for storage card and then where do I put 10G networking…
I really wish Ryzen boards had better PCIe story…
Well yeah Asus did not really state anything in regards to new am5 boards.
So in that regards the Asus pro art x670E creator would still be your best pick probably.
Because that board has a 10Gbe onboard not ideal but at least it´s something.
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The
- X670E Pro RS (x16 + 2x4.0 x1 chipset)
- X670E Steel Legend (x16 + 3.0 x4 CPU + 3.0 x1 chipset)
- X670E PG Lightning (x16 + 4.0 x4 CPU + 2x4.0 x1 chipset)
- B650E PG Riptide (x16 + 3.0 x4 CPU + 4.0 x1 chipset)
- B650 Pro RS (x16 + 3.0 x4 CPU + 4.0 x1 chipset)
- B650 Steel Legend (x16 + 3.0 x4 CPU + 4.0 x1 chipset)
- B650 PG Lightning (x16 + 4.0 x2 chipset + 2x4.0 x1 chipset)
all have more slots but the PCIe 5.0 x8 switch is cost reduced off, so no ASRock way of doing x8/x8 GPU/HBA plus a NIC without going back to like the X570 Taichi. (ASRock B650Ms have three or four slots as well but also not the switch and necessarily not the spacing for a dGPU.) If it’s ASM1166s for storage then the B650 Pro RS is ironically probably the most interesting.
ASRock’s staying with 2x8 on the X870E Taichis. Haven’t seen high enough resolution images from Computex to tell for the rest of 800 series, though from what Wendel’s remarked in passing there might be a chance ASRock won’t push quite as many lanes to M.2 sockets. I think an X870E PG Lightning with x16 + 4.0 x4 CPU + 4.0 x4 chipset would be an attractive diversification but can’t say I’m optimistic.
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Yeah, some of that will probably have to do.
Personally I think the whole M2 idea was a step sideways in the history of computers… like putting disks directly on mobo bellow GPU and CPU coolers where they are inaccessible once the computer is assembled is terrible experience… would trade all M2 for PCIe any day…
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M.2 makes complete sense for compact devices: Consoles, Laptops, tablets, digital film cameras
U.2/U.3 just somehow never made it to desktops like SATA did.
I guess the reason is the unhealthy war on cables in modern desktops.
See all those “Project zero” or BTF designs.
My needs in a desktop have changed in recent years. My 1920X Threadripper is still going strong but with its 8sticks of DDR3, 4 mechanical hard drives, 2 SATA SSDs and (counts) 5VMNE drives, it gulps down power and is overkill for me today. And add in a large discrete GPU.
Most of my work these days is either documents and diagrams or Cloud-based when practical. So
I was going to get a 7600 CPU (not even the X) and do a whole system replace but Zen 5 is so close and sounding good I’m thinking of the 9700X. Pair it with a good 2TB SSD and two sticks of decent memory I’ll likely have a zippier desktop experience for a fraction of the power consumption. My main uncertainty is whether the onboard graphics can handle a 5K2K display or if I’ll still need the GPU.
U.2/3 is thermally problematic with the lack of airflow over 2.5 and 3.5 mounts in desktop cases plus desktop pricing isn’t aligned with the redrivers needed by PCIe 4+. There’s exceptions, sure, but M.2’s a more accessible solution.
Probably ~40 W idle from the wall with a reasonably efficient PSU, plus dGPU and LCD. If you haven’t already, the 8700G might be worth considering for lower light load power and dGPU avoidance.
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“efficient PSU”. 
I used up my smallest PSU on a build for a friend so now the only spare one I have knocking around is 850W. I expect the first time I hook it up to my 65w CPU and single NVME drive and GPU-less build, I will actually get to hear a PSU laugh.
I’ve considered the 8700G. I’d most certainly like to avoid needing a dGPU. But given I wont be gaming and I have a 60Hz monitor I’m not sure I need the G. I’ve been trying to find anyone who can confirm for me if the onboard graphics on one of these (non-G) CPUs will be sufficient for my monitor - it’s a rather expensive 5K2K Dell monitor. As it’s capped at 60Hz I feel like it might be okay but I really want to find confirmation as it’s a key factor in the decision.
Things keeping me away from AM5 that aren’t strictly money:
My 5950X is already stupid, and has 64gb of DDR4. The currently available gains from a same-to-same platform swap look to be in the neighborhood of 25-30% in most areas, and while that isn’t exactly a small difference, it’s not really what I’d hope for when replacing everything… Especially not after AM4 spoiled me with drop in chips posting similar generational gains from 2000-3000-5000.
Then there’s the SATA situation. A lot of the AM5 boards that are available gain an additional NVME slot, but in the process drop from my current 8 SATA ports (which admittedly, I’m presently only using 6 of, but an optical drive will eventually constitute a 7th, and another HDD is at least somewhat likely at some point) to often 4, rarely 6+.
Still awaiting 9000 making some improvements. Another 15% above and beyond 7000 won’t quite make it “worth it”, but at least it won’t be quite as poor a value proposition.
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It used to be common to have fans directly pointed at the 3.5" mounts, so…
Something something economy of scale. Also two slots would have been enough.
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Lack of data here, unfortunately. We don’t have anything over 2k, that I know of anyways, plus the AM5 builds I’ve done have had dGPUs. I’ve suggested AM4 and AM5 APU builds at times but our entry level’s stayed at 5900X with a modest dGPU.
There’s a few 750s around but I’ve found it’s kind of difficult hard to get less than an 850 in an ATX gold PSU (or 1000 in platinum). Offhand the RMx Shifts have the highest light load efficiency I can think of, but it’s not something I’ve done a structured survey of.
Yeah, each Promontory 21 has four ports so X670E can do eight ports. But If there’s a board with more than six I haven’t been able to find it. Have to go Intel or drop back to X570 to get eight chipset ports (more about this a couple posts down). I’m hoping for an eight port X870E but am not optimistic.
Having both Zen 3 and Zen 4 hardware around, AVX-512 throughput’s the main thing I’m curious about for Zen 5. On Zen 4 the compute kernels I run show +40% going from AVX to AVX-512 but that drops off to 0% with more than a few cores active. So for most purposes Zen 4’s an AVX10/256 target and, as there’s not a lot of instruction set or register pressure in the kernels, AVX10 is only slightly faster than AVX.
If Zen 5’s AVX-512 changes result in better core scaling than Zen 4 that’d be cool.
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Asrock X670E Taichi has 8 sata ports if that is what you are specifically looking for.
True. To be more specific, what I was trying to speak to was chipset SATA ports rather than the ASM1061 extensions on Taichis. I haven’t seen perf measurements of the X670E’s ASM1061s but past Taichis using 3.0 x1, an ASM1061, and a multiplier only managed 170-200 MB/s on those four ports. Since the X670E Taichi uses two 3.0 lanes for two ASM1061s hopefully it doesn’t throttle with single actuator hard drives, though dual actuator or SSD pairings remain lane limited. The other four SATA ports are direct from the second Promontory 21 and thus shouldn’t be lane constrained.
The X670 Pro RS is maybe a better candidate here. ASRock could expose all eight chipset ports on an X870E Pro RS by changing out the M2_4 connector. In the meantime, it should be possible to get seven SATA ports (but not eight) with an MSAT2SAT3 or equivalent mSATA to SATA adapter in M2_4. Haven’t seen anybody confirm this, though I might bench it out at some point.
an aside about M.2 host bus adapters
There’s plenty of two port M.2 to SATA implementations using the JMB582, as well as six port ASM1166 implementations, but they’re mechanically fragile, thermally iffy, and if the JMB582 runs like the JMB585 it’s a downgrade from Promontory 21 SATA. The Promontory 21’s SATA ports are fine and I’d like to, y’know, just use rather than having to add a host bus adapter and, in the case of the Pro RS, maybe not be able to get the cables out from under a dGPU or have GPU exhaust overheat the host bus adapter.
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