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X570 Creator vs Taichi Thunderbolt support in 2021

I’m currently on an i3770k and after almost 10 years on it I have decided to move onto a 5950x. I use Ubuntu and it seems like asrock plays nice with it (temp sensors). I have narrowed my choice in mobo to the x570 Creator and the Taichi. I seems like the Creator is mostly hit and miss regarding Thunderbolt support, and the Taichi works fine using the GC Titan Ridge card, however most posts are from '19 or early '20. I’m mostly interested in Thunderbolt for data transfer and device connection, not really on using it as DP. Does anyone have experience on it? Here’s my perspective and current thoughts:

Objective- Build a powerful system that serves me for the foreseeable future (no less than 6 years)
NVME- Taichi has the advantage, 3 slots for nvme, 2 after using the last pci-e. Creator has 2 and only one if Thunderbolt and the last pcie slot are used. Up until now I don’t even use nvme, might get one for my /home folder on ubuntu and keep the rest on sata. Could even get a pcie card for extra nvme storage.
LAN - Creator has the 10g Aquantia card
SATA- 4+4asmedia vs 8 on Taichi. Only use 5 Sata disks now, might move down do 3 sata and 1 nvme.
Thunderbolt - Creator has onboard Thunderbolt (albeit limited to 3 devices and 15w) Up until now only my monitor and my Mac laptop are TB capable, I don’t think I might need 6 device daisy chains in the near future, but that might some years into the future. The GC Titan Ridge seems super hard to get now, nothing on amazon and half of what shows on Newegg is flashed for Hackintosh, nothing at all in my country. Were those discontinued?

Since 1 pcie slot will be used by my gpu, if I get Thunderbolt through an add in card then that leaves me to decide between an extra nvme card or an extra network card to populate the remaining slot (although that is a moot point if onboard Thunderbolt on the Creator doesn’t work at all). On the other hand, if the Creator works as intended then that leaves me the option of both an extra nvme expansion card, and a network card (sfp+?), or even a SAS if I need it in the future.

Any advice or concerns?

Cough: [SOLVED] ASRock X570 Taichi/Gigabyte GC-Titan Ridge AIC: Thunderbolt 3 devices OK - But USB 3/DisplayPort device Hotplug causes BSoD :( - #216 by aBav.Normie-Pleb

Short version:

  • When purchasing right now I’d take the ASRock X570 Taichi Razer Edition to get a second-gen X570 board.

  • The GC-Titan Ridge AIC has a new revision 2.0, look for GC-Titan Ridge 2.0.

I’m using such a combination fully loaded out with:

  • GPU in PCIe x16_1 at Gen4 x8
  • NIC in PCIe x16_2 at Gen3 x8
  • GC-Titan Ridge 2.0 in PCIe x16_3 at Gen3 x4
  • NVMe Gen4 SSD via M2_1
  • NVMe Gen4 SSD via M2_2
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I looked into the Taichi Razer Edition, however Wendell’s recent review showed that wireless and wired network interfaces don’t work in Linux.

Thanks for the link it seems like there’s a clear and detailed process to get the GC Titan Ridge fully working.

Where did you get the GC-Titan Ridge 2.0? Amazon hasn’t had it since february (at almost $250 through a 3rd party) and hasn’t sold directly since june last year. Most listings in Newegg and ebay show them flashed for use with Mac and cost over $170, many of them over $200.

It seems like the Taichi (standard edition) might be the perfect board for me regarding compatibility and working features, however the lack of availability of Titan Ridge cards (or extreme prices) make me think that the Creator might be the safer bet (if Thunderbolt works) to get all the features.

In Europe the GC-Titan Ridge 2.0 is available for around EUR 75 at various retailers.

I see, I’m in Latin America (Mexico) so that might be hard to get.

Look through ebay.com and select a vendor that ships to Mexico?

The Creator indeed has TB3 support onboard.
However i´m not fully sure how the native linux support is on that unfortunately.
I do believe that the Asrock X570 Creator board isn´t the most ideal board for virtualization with pci-e pass trough,
because of it’s iommu groupings.
But when you run Linux natively than that isn’t really that relevent.

Another board with onboard TB3 is the Gigabyte B550 Vision D.
But of course a B550 board could be a limitation in general.
This board only comes with dual 1Gbit intel nic’s.
No 10G Aquantia unfortunately.

Maybe @wendell could give you some advice in regards to,
to the Thunderbolt solutions and Linux support on both boards.
Because i believe he did review them both.

On a side note, “if” thunderbolt is trully important to you.
Then maybe you might also wanne look into intel´s rocket lake and Z590 boards.
Some of those boards come with TB4 onboard.
However the top of the line cpu the 11900K is only an 8 core.
And there for kinda expensive in comparison to AMD´s offerings.

I’d recommend the creator x570 from asrock. It did actually eventually get intel certification!! For real!

You must have airflow in the vrm area or the vrm or aquantia nic will throttle .

This is the system I used in the noctua and cooler master vid. I love this system. 16 cores of no nonsense insanity it’s just bananas.

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Yeah the X570 Creator is pretty much the best option on Ryzen,
if he needs a 10G nic and TB support.

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Thank you all, you are truly awesome!
I’m not that interested in virtualization, mostly running native linux (as a daily workhorse) and some basic games on Windows once or twice a month.

I’m ready to jump the gun now that you told me about Intel certification and it working properly on Linux. I’ll be pairing it with an NH-D15 and will pay attention to case airflow.

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Another proposition maybe would be the new ASUS Pro Art B550-Creator, to my knowledge the first AMD motherboard with Thunderbolt 4 support.

Basically it’s the same as the Gigabyte B550 Vision D but with Thunderbolt 4 instead of 3 and dual 2.5 GbE Intel NICs.

Are there any reviews yet, what kind of performance or support could be expected under Linux? I currently have some kind of Asus P8Z77, and while it mostly works great I never managed to get my ethernet interface working from a cold boot, I always have to reboot after the first beep in order to just have the interface recognized (independent of OS used). What about temp sensors? (Nuvoton or something else?)

The x570 Creator went up a $100 half an hour before I tried to buy it, so I’m currently on hold waiting for it to go down again before buying it or getting something else.

I’m going to have a look at the ASUS ProArt B550-Creator as soon as it becomes available in Germany.

It seems its first shipment for the European distributors from Asia was on that ship that made a little stop in that canal so I don’t know exactly when they are going to pop up.