means they keep it to themselves. They write&build their own systems, only few companies have enough cash to do it this way.
I'm not sure whether you mean that they customize and deploy their own flavour of *nix (which is still *nix) or whether you mean they create an entirely new OS (which they definitely don't). Either way, there a far more *nix servers than Windows. Windows is only for the small to medium business. Whilst individuals and big businesses use *nix variants. No individual thinks "Hmm I want to setup a private server for myself, I know I'll use Windows Server! With it's massive memory footprint and debilitating restrictions not to mention the cost and the infrequent security patches, obvious choice.", it just doesn't happen.
yea they create their own flavor of nix, and software that runs them. More advanced medium size companies run powershelled version also called headless version of windows, and they have very small footprint comparable to nix. While companies have linux servers, they are still in small % comparing to windows based ones. This is place where ms is doing most of its income it is very big industry for them. As much as i'd prefer linux to be main, its simply not the case.
*also case, its very hard to gain pci compliance on linux servers, sometimes even impossible without highly certified wizard gods that need 150k/year minimum, and licensee from red hat.
Well that's a matter of two undefined parameters:
The scope - You seem to only mention businesses;
The metric to measure the sprawl of the OS - if you measure by revenue, of course it's Windows. If you measure by machines (physical and virtual) running the OS, of course it's *nix (bearing in mind OSX is Darwin is *nix, every hobbyist with a raspberry pi, every router running some RISC-compatible version of *nix VS Windows Embedded).
Pointless argument nonetheless.
its not. I don't agree. Its not what i've seen doing networking for companies.
Yea, @anon5205053 is right on the money. Every corporate environment that I've ever worked in has used Windows as their server platform for internal use.
The fact of the matter is that exchange, office, and Windows are almost ubiquitous. You're not going to walk into a bank and see them running Ubuntu, or Fedora; just the same as you can email your lawyer a .docx document and you know he'll be able to open it. As someone who deals with servers for a living, and for a hobby, it really grinds my gears when the Linux community starts to tout numbers. I understand that you and the entire Linux hard hat community believe that Windows is shit, and full of security holes, but what you believe doesn't matter to companies making several billion a year.
I'm perfectly fine with what Linux does, and I think is has some great characteristics, but, it will never, and I mean never make it in the corporate environment. It's not a hate thing, and this isn't my personal vendetta against Linux, it's purely matter of fact. You can't honestly expect me to believe that if I go ask any one of my clients (which are schools and other medium sized business) if they know how and what Linux is, that they would know the answer.
I fell like this is the fundamental point the entire Linux community seems to miss; you can't just make something and expect people to just switch from what they know to something that entirely unproven in a consumer market; it's like asking a 6' 10'' dude to drive a Prius without a sun roof, it makes no sense.
We were discussing servers...
facepalm ever heard of RHEL? It's made it.
I suppose Google, Amazon, Facebook and so on are not enterprise environments - I explained the scenario where a 'sys admin' or 'network manager' hasn't seen a Linux environment:
These are not server operating systems.
But this is all off-topic.
I said Windows and their enterprise solutions are shit, that's my opinion, expressed to offer reasons why Windows isn't used more often than Linux. I didn't say nor imply that everyone should be using Linux, I was merely correcting @anon5205053 where he stated Windows has 80% server market share.
Come on guys.
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Are you questioning my ability to manage my networks? Just because I have a net admin job doesn't mean you can just assume what I can do. Go back to lurking.
Not at all...
I'm more saying it's a Plato's Cave scenario, you haven't seen *nix in enterprise, so you assert it doesn't exist, in fact you assert it can't exist... but I've seen it; kind of like pussy in that sense... roasted.
You quote rule 1 I'll quote rule 7...
If someone/something on the site is getting on your nerves, take a deep breath, remain mature and logical before you post.
@fredfredkinson @ipat8 You are both better than this.
It is cool and all that the OP just discovered Open Source but just mellow out. Get your favourite poison, compile your kernel and get KVM set up. Just chillax.
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just wondering how do they count that? if its count by site, then its wrong. Most linux environments like cpanel alike will have much more sites running than counterpart of windows. (also if they are behind akamai or prolexic, caching services, similar they will be listed as linux, even though they run on windows.)
gee opened closed, closed opened. :O
the pic i deleted showed market-share of Server based OSes. Linux is Dominant., then it's Mac OSX (for some reason) and last is Windows (In the form of 2003, 2008, and 2012).
Edit: It's there again.
yeah but i'm questioning how they got that data, can it be trusted? (noting that if behind akamai, prolexic, incapsula which is used extensively reports as linux where-as they are actually ran on windows iis, but flatpublish is working on linux ) also there is more sh*tty sites like wordpress on cpanel environments (do they count by server or by site server)
Since this thread is still unlocked I hope nobody minds me throwing in some good infomation.
The UK government just released install and post-install scripts on GOV.UK for Ubuntu 14.04 along with Security Guidance for public sector and enterprises.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/end-user-devices-security-guidance-ubuntu-1404-lts
This adds to the CESG report last year that rated it the most secure of 11 tested in 12 categories.
I'm not quite sure. honestly i have no experience on servers. i was keeping an eye on the thread. but my objective really was to break the arguments a bit by showing Server based OS marketshares. i did see that "Windows has 80% of the server market comment" and i wanted to confirm that cause even I didn't believe that.
This isn't exactly true.
For instance, in Europe you deal with 'Microsoft EU Sarl'. That is a subsidiary of Microsoft which follows European law to deal with European customers (tax reasons).
hm, interesting. This is nice.
@Kat
I'm just talking about my own experience as i walked around few 100-1k employees companies doing jobs for them.
I think the stats do not show real market share. As companies do not share, don't want to share with that kind of data.
Still whois and similar queries can reveal that to point - if they aren't behind caching systems. I think those stats represent site amount in % ran by linux systems; not amount of servers ran with linux.