It's the UI.
I work in retail. A fairly substantial amount of our customers will buy 7 just because they are furious with 8. They are also unwilling to go through process of installing classicshell / start is back.
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Metro is garbage imo.
If MS had simply given users the choice between Modern UI (Metro) and Traditional UI (W7),
then im definitely convinced that allot more people would have made the switch from XP / 7 to Windows 8.1.
Or Microsoft should just give users more freedome of tweaking the UI.
Honnestly the Windows 10 UI as far as i have seen, also doesnt do it for me personaly.
It's um, a bit easier to acquire than windows 8 I believe.
The only place I truly believed Metro (sue me) could be useful was touch. With use, I was 100% spot on. Close an app? Swipe down from the top. Easy! But the same goes for the mouse. Not so easy. 8.1 gave a close, maximize, and minimize which helped a lot, but Metro still felt completely different. I also wished for a switch to change from Metro to normal. Like on install it would ask, Mouse/Keyboard or Touchscreen? Why they didn't do that, I'll never know.
I totaly agree, wenn they just give you the option which interface you want to use, that simply fixes everything.
Metro is nice for tablets or mobile phones, but it simply doesnt work for a desktop interface, its totaly inefficient.
Also not to mention that Windows 7 Aero looks way better in every single way.
Also a thing that i dont like about the new Windows version, is MS account intergration.
Sure for some people this could be a handy thing, but i personaly dont like my whole OS to get sync´d with my MS account.
Of course you can get arround of this, and simply use a lokal account, but its not easy to get there.
Also all those flashy metro color menu´s, its just not my taste.
I didn't. You're throwing 'what ifs' at me. I never said they had to upgrade I said
People get something the way they want it, and they don't want that to change. I didn't say there was anything wrong with that. I said that bc thats exactly what happens. As for bad boot system thats debatable. As for GUI thats debatable. As for UX thas debatable. None of which the things I want to debate. Beating a dead horse at this point.
Logan made a comment (reply) in the MSI WS60 video about being pragmatic: " I don't care for many of Nvidia's practices, but I'm pragmatic"
Logan's ethos is equally 'replicated' in the reason many users still utilise Windows-7: it's a practical solution that meets their computing needs well.
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Someone already mentioned this, but I think the reason people still favor Windows 7 over Windows 8/8.1 is because the jump from Windows 7 to Windows 8 was a really big one (as far as the GUI goes), so when Windows 8 came out people went "What the fuck is this bullshit?"
I'm currently on Windows 8.1, and I admit, I also went "What the fuck is this bullshit?" when Windows 8 came out, but I got used to it as I used it more. Now, I'm completely fine with everything about 8.1, even the metro/tile design the start menu has (though I only use it if I absolutely have to, which for me is almost never).
Honestly though, I can't understand why Windows 7 vs. Windows 8/8.1 is even up for debate. GUI aside, both versions of the OS literally do the exact same shit, even with the few differences between them. Just use whatever works for you (be it Window's 7, 8, XP, Vista, or something entirely different, like Linux, or Mac OS).
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Wasn't that Steve Ballmer's doing?
I miss the guy actually. I remember with nostalgia how it used to be that whenever he said that something was a great product, it would miserably fail, and whenever he publicly denounced something as a bad idea, it would turn out to be the next big thing. One could decide which stocks to buy and not buy on that man alone. Lots of money I could have gained (had I had the money to buy the said stocks).
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Yeah, I agree. :O) Its funny how things change! I often look back at the early 90's when I first got into PC's (had a ZX Spectrum when I was in my teen's) and fell in love with how all things PC related were! Microsoft had Bill Gates at the helm and PC's were beige...
Yes and you claimed that people didn't switch because they were resistant to change. I simply countered that some were just being pragmatic with their money.
Can you give some specific examples? I use Windows 7 for work and Windows 8.1 at home and I find 8.1 to be significantly better. If you can provide examples I'll see if I can offer counter-examples to demonstrate how things are actually faster in 8.1.
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msconfig for one, task manager does not show all startup processes and makes it a pain to turn off certain things during startup, its also a pain to add things to startup because you have to find the startup folder that is now burrowed in the operating system. When before it was on the start menu. Task manger while pretty has very little in terms of actually useful data you need to open resource monitor. Start button brings up metro screen which has to do its little animation before you can start to search for something, which was on the start menu before. Power off is now move to top right then pull down , settings, then power, then power off. when on 7 with start, shut down. Windows 8 makes you jump through so many dam hoops to do the simplest of tasks. Sure it can open google chrome .00005 seconds faster but you waste on average 4 seconds with all the dam hoops.
I don't know what you mean about msconfig.exe, other than the startup section that is now in Task Manager. Also, Task Manager does show all startup processes. I compared my Task Manager startup section with CCleaner's startup tool and they both had 13 entries, the same ones. To disable a startup item in Task Manager you just select it and click Disable.
Honest question, does anybody actually use the Startup folder? Pretty much any application that you'd want to start up at logon can be set to do so within the application itself. Alternatively, just create a task in Task Scheduler which offers far more advanced capabilities than purely "Start *.exe at logon". Although, the startup folder still is available if you're capable of navigating the filesystem tree or using search to find it.
How is this any different than Windows 7? In both OSes you need to go to Resource Monitor for advanced information. But between 7 and 8.x Task Managers, 8.x makes the visual representation far superior.
You do not need to wait for the animation to complete before searching. I just tested this myself and I could start typing immediately after pressing Windows key. The first letter I was searching was "P" and I did it fast enough that it registered as Windows + P keyboard shortcut once.
You could do it that way. You could also just right-click Start button, hover over "Shut down or sign out" then select "Shutdown"
Heck, you can also just click on blank space on the Taskbar and hit Alt + F4 and it'll pop up a shutdown dialog box with the Shutdown option already selected then just press Space button to select the already active "OK" button.
Maybe your experiences are with 8.0 because 8.1 and 8.1 Update 1 improved many things. By the way, keyboard shortcuts work the same as they always have, GUI be damned.
Below I have attached an image which outlines most of the changes/improvements of Windows 8.0/8.1/8.1 Update 1. It's a bit generalized but as you can see its slightly more significant than "open Google Chrome .00005 seconds faster".
(May want to right click this and "Open image in new tab" or save it to your computer to view it full size so its readable)
You only waste 4 seconds with all the "dam hoops" if you don't know how to utilize it to its advantages and adjust workflow habits accordingly.
I actually enjoy way more Windows 8.1 than Windows 7, to the point that I hate to use Windows 7 (and that even without a touch screen). People complain about the lack of start menu but I find more useful the blown out application in the metro ui than the cramp start menu in Windows 7. It's faster and I find way more aesthetically pleasing than Windows 7. But I'm super hyped about Windows 10 it's gonna to be even more awesome. ^^
(And I gonna forced my brother to update is PC from Windows 7 to 10, he is the only one in the house not using 8.1)
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Because it has the last of the non-clunky UIs? That and I haven't built up the nerve to finish testing 8 or start testing 10.
I fully understand what direction they're going, but I don't agree with it because it isn't compatible with how I use my PC. A tablet, maybe, but not an everyday PC.
I use windows 7 because I spent most of my windows experience there. I honestly get lost while trying to navigate my friends and families window 8 PC's. Non of the buttons look the same, and most are moved slightly. This makes it take too long for me to reboot a network card etc... So I use windows 7 and recommend people to use windows 7. Mostly because it make my life easier. On a side note. I have the same issues with Linux. I recommend people use Debian distro's because I can more easily fix their machines when they go belly up. Because I am familiar with the utilities and the locations of all the configuration files. I am just a lazy IT guy.
I am laughing really hard at @RH00D's post right now.
His post really sums up my experience with Windows 8.1 (Pro N, if that matters). Everything works more or less the same, sure there is a bit of experimentation needed, but it doesn't really destroy productivity in the long run. I have a mix of Win 7 and Win 8 machines, with the lower powered "junk" computers running Windows 7 and my more updated stuff running 8.1. It just felt better in the long run, spent a lot of time getting used to it, but it has turned for the better.
There was also a problem with some programs that I used dropping Windows 7 support, freaking Solidworks...
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I do not use windows for anything other then gaming, other wise im on linux.