Alright so a while ago I bought a msi g45 z87 gaming mobo I have been saving up for a cpu and I finnaly have enough money for a cpu. So I know a 4790k is not supported with out a bios update. But will the cpu be able to let me boot to bios to run mflash? I had an idea where I can buy the old 4770k off new egg plug it in and run mflash then maybe file for a return because the cpu "doesn't work" and then with the bios update installed I can buy my 4790k. Unfortunately I do not have enough to buy a new mobo at the moment. So upgrading the mobo is out for now. Should I just purchase the 4770k or what?
Why do you think you need to get a 4770K to update your BIOS? Wouldn't it be cheaper to get a $50 celeron (socket 1150) and use that to update the BIOS? You don't need to get a 4770K to update your BIOS because in this scenario a processor is a processor is a processor and the system won't see them any differently because the BIOS wouldn't care if you had a 4770K or a celeron.
No your cpu does not let you boot into the bios, but you need to look if your mobo supports USB flashback on a specifick usb port, (Like Asus boards can). check the manual if the board supports this. called USB M-flash for msi boards
Check if the M-flash can update the bios, without a cpu installed, i dont know this.
OP stated he has an MSI motherboard so he doesn't have USB BIOS flashback
No but Msi boards have M-Flash, so like i said, he needs to check the manual, if his board can flash without a compatible cpu aswell, using a specifick usb port, like USB flashback on Asus.
Went and read the manual for the board and M-flash seems to only be runnable from inside the BIOS meaning he needs a supported CPU installed to run it
Yes that is what i am affraid of aswell.
i was allready searching the internet about it, but could not realy find a clear ansewr to this. The only ansewrs i found about M-flash, are indeed running from within the bios.
Is the i7 4770k still good for gaming and rendering because I know they have a problem with over clocking. I don't see my self doing over clocking but will 3.5 ghz be any good?
The 4770K would work but keep in mind it is vastly inferior to the 4790K (4790K has a 4.0GHz stock clock, better internal power delivery, and has full virtualization support), but I guess if you can find a 4770K for really cheap, I guess that's fine but I would recommend getting a Celeron updating your BIOS and getting a 4790K. But if you aren't even going to OC ever then don't get either, buy a Xeon E3 1230 V3, which is just an i7 4770 minus the integrated graphics.
I chuckled at vastly inferior :)
Same shi- I mean chip, different day.
The fact that the 4790K has the virtualization extensions (VT-d and TSX-Ni) is what makes it far superior, and the other stuff like the power delivery and higher stock clock don't hurt the matter either. But I do agree that my choice of words was a bit questionable, oh well.
I love the Xeon idea. I think I'll go with that. And with the extra money I save I can buy a better cooler. I found this Xeon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116909
Now would this be the best one I could use in a z87 socket? It says there is a newer version on the Newegg website. Would that be the haswell refresh? And is this the best Xeon I should get?
The newer version would be Haswell refresh but I don't think you will need to update your BIOS for it to work. The haswell refresh version of the 1245V3 (1246 V3) would be the best option if you are willing to spend an extra $40 over the 1230 V3. Also keep in mind that the Xeons are not for overclocking and for all intents and purposes can't overclock.
I'm all good no over clocking. This is actually my first build so no over clocking is alright with me. Now this Xeon offers virtualization what exactly is that? And would a Xeon be a good cpu for rendering and video games?
Virtualization support is for virtual machines which are essentially a virtual computer, think of it as emulating a computer inside a computer. And yes, the Xeon is plenty capable of playing games and rendering, like I said: the Xeon is just an i7 missing the integrated graphics
Alright thanks for the help. I'm going to have to go with the one that is native to the z87 chipset. Which I believe is the one I gave the link for.
OK, but go with the 1240 V3 instead because its the same chip just $10 cheaper
I couldn't thank you enough this is an amazing choice thank you. I'll be saving 100 bucks and it's as good if not better then the i7 thanks a lot man. I never would have thought to go with xeon. But it seems to be a wonderful choice thanks.
The xeon is the same deal with no integrated graphics. From my personal experience with the 4770 I can tell you it's a great chip and does whatever you throw at it. It's also very cool and quiet in idle and normal load (synthetics for some reason make this run hotter than p4 prescotts), so consider buying a big cooler so you can run it passive (I've tried with the 212 evo without the fan, it's only 5-17°C hotter).
The only thing i dont understand is, what has Virtualization extention vt-d to do with this whole thing? Unless OP uses virtualization offcourse.
For gaming and random tasks, like video editing rendering codding and such, you don´t need the virtualization extensions, also not to mention, only Q and C series chipsets supports the full virtualization feuture set of the cpu. so yeah...
i would grab a 4670K or 4770K. to be honnest. Unless you dont care about overclocking, then you could save some cache, grabbing a Xeon. But still..
performance diffrence between Devils canyon and haswell 1.0 would not be mindblowing. also about overclocking, the DC can maybe be easier to overclock, you still need alot of luck with it, i have seen haswell 1.0 chips overclocked to reasonalble 4.6Ghz aswell so yeah.
DC overclocks to 5GHZ on only 1 core, that basicly is useless. Till now as far as i know intel did not showed up with any proof, of an 5GHZ DC overclock, on 4 cores 8 Threads.