Where's the money guys

apparently alot of companies are looking for people who are US citizens that can code in java some of them pay $100,000+ a year. if you have any useful skills you can post your resume on monster.com. if your lucky some one will call you rather then you having to hunt down a job the hard way.

i have horrible work ethic meaning i don't want to slave off without an understandable return

That is not horrible work ethic, depending on what you mean is understandable (to make a living wage on a full time job I suppose is reasonable).

I will suggest you go ahead and take CS if you fell motivated and inclined to commit to that particular line of work. It certainly isn't for everyone. To know and daily apply the difference between fact, implication, proof, assumption, opinion, etc. is an important part of obtaining the said degree. Of course, a degree itself is not a proof of competence. As @chiefshane has pointed out you need to work hard during the education period to chisel out your own portfolio. CS degree is about those things that make it easier for you to perform quality work, and in several ways, easier to improve your living.

When done, you will also need the grit and the tenacity to keep at it. The fact is, occasionally you will have no control over your work situation. You will be slaving off. You will need to handle prolonged stress. And you will still need to perform. And you will still need to find ways to freshen up.

I agree with that, allot of people dont make it through unless you like it. For example the intro level computer science course has two sections which are in very large lecture rooms. Some of the largest on campus. The class after that has two sections that are in mid size lecture rooms around the average size of any classroom. The third class is in one section for a mid size lecture room. Allot of people get filtered out unless you like programming allot.

Lol, yeah we used to joke about a CS class half-life. i.e. how much time it takes until only half of us remain.

Another running joke was about people who dropped out being called "Bill Gates" by us who remained.

Ah, the good old times :) .

Honestly every week I hear a radio story or see something online talking about how we are in a skilled labor shortage crisis. I put programming under the big umbrella of skilled labor that doesn't necessarily need a degree. I'm talkin plumbers, construction, industrial refrigerator repair, lots of random stuff I never knew about where you can make 6 figures. Now I haven't looked hard into those, except web dev, but in retrospect I might be looking for apprenticeships or electrician training. You can't automate that. Also I second that (if the market is still hot) oil workers make bank in a few years and then you can afford to get training in whatever.

Basically, the problem with 20 somethings isn't there aren't jobs, it's that everyone told us to go to college (huge debt, maybe no skills coming out) and downplayed vocational school (small debt, similar or better payoff).

Part i love is when you get those kids talking about how they're going to become 1337 h4x0rz, then drop the class after 2 weeks.

Granted, gaming is what got me into computers in the first place, and anime (via collecting) is what got me into fault tolerance and erasure coding...but that tends to be the exception more than the rule.

So you would rather sponge off the world, FFS BOI, lazy much?

All the money went on heroin and hangovers.

Now it's talking about settlement but the cash is still gorn :(