This forum has changed in the short time I’ve been here. Solutions to Windows forum questions are “Uze Linyyx”
That’s not a solution. That’s not advice, not a suggestion, and not helpful. It’s shit.
Better moderation, I guess would be my wishlist. My enthusiasm has dwindled. There are a handful of users that I still engage with, but this place has attracted the Reddit and IRC crowd, I think. I came here for reprieve from those cesspools.
Being attacked based on your personal preference or workflow is unacceptable. This passive aggressive “Windows 10 is spyware” is God damn obnoxious, and a fucking lie.
I would consider myself too new to have an opinion about what I’d like to see as part of the forums, but as someone whose experience generally mirrors @anon79053375 with regard to escaping the incessant shitposting circlejerks of other interactive group sites, I hope for the same things.
I generally do more reading than posting since I have a lot to learn from most (especially technical) subjects.
Sad to see @kewldude007’s criticisms, not from the standpoint of their existence but as evidence of possible decline (again, too new to know better myself). The Lounge is too fast-moving for my tastes so no opinion there.
Another vote for user block, that unfortunately seems a necessity.
I will add that this has still been one of the best forums I have ever seen with regard to UX and convenience, as well as general user behavior. I think shutting down political arguments helps a ton, though, so don’t change that!
I do understand what you are trying to say according to better moderation.
And that is a thing we are allways looking into improving on.
Thats why we create topics like this, so that users can share their thoughts and opions.
Of course like any other user on the forum, moderators and leaders are also users in different parts of the world who are contributing their spare time next to their normal life’s jobs etc.
The Flag system is a very nifty tool, that can be very efficient for moderation, if its used right by the users.
The system is ment as a tool for users to sorta contribute to better moderation.
And there for improving the quality of the forum.
But of course we also expect a littlebit of maturity from our users.
Like on any forum, not every user knows how to properlly participate a forum.
En therefor the flagging system is a pretty handy tool,
instead of jumping on the fire wagon against a said user.
Because that will only cause clutter in a topic and turn it downhill.
There is nothing wrong with correcting or call out someone in a proper manner.
But sometimes just using the flag option and let us deal with it is a better solution.
Leaders also have the ability to edit offtopic posts.
And wenn they see such an event, they are privéleged to do so.
Leaders unfortunatlly cannot deal with flags or delete posts.
Still like i pointed out above, we have a pretty small moderation team which is spread pretty globally.
This to improve moderation over different timezones abit.
But of course all those people also have a private life and job.
What i will be looking into, is eventually expending the moderator team in the near future.
To improve the quality of the community in that regards.
But of course we also expect from our users that they act levelheaded,
and being a great example for the community aswell.
Because a community is as great as its users make it to be afterall.
This isn’t new, it’s been like this since Teksyndicate which is why I originally made this post.
It got better, but there are still people who do not understand that this is a forum, not reddit, and it has perhaps gotten worse again recently.
Generally we are light on moderation and let the users reflect what they want, but perhaps we’re to light on this. For example it’s not uncommon (for me at least) to agree with a flagged post but not remove the post, this still negatively impacts the user, but as it might not be seen by the wider community maybe this direction isn’t the best, and more direct action should be taken on a wider range of topics. As an example, there have been posts which were flagged (legitimately) which I have agreed with, but not deleted, because the reply the person has also made stopped to the same level as the flagged post. In that case, I either leave them up, or I have to go in and start deleting posts. The latter has happened on occasion when people can’t keep their cool, and it’s people on both “sides” for lack of a better term.
The team is relatively small as @MisteryAngel mentioned and I know there has been occasions where flags sit for a while before being actioned, especially during work hours where you can’t properly look at them. Leaders alleviate this a little bit as they have some powers to threads like locking them and we have some good active leaders, but again not many.
On the subject of moderation, rules, and misbehaving forum users it would be interesting to get opinions on what people would like to see. The last change we made I think was an improvement.
Over the past few years civil discourse on the internet has taken a nose dive. That has leaked into here.
This problem isn’t unique to this forum or community. Memes and shit flinging have become the norm all over the place.
I have seen other sites require a one month waiting period before you can post. It would help with spam and initial knee jerk first posts.
Trial membership periods also helps against low effort posting.
Now the downside: those will scare away some people.
This isn’t an advocation for the above ideas but putting those ideas out there.
When I first started with this community there was a problem with MS users fighting with *nix users. The roles reversed a while back. Two wrongs do not make a right and should be enforced. The best OS discussions I have seen have been in the lounge generally.
Removing the blog section is another suggestion. There have been users who have used it for very personal threads. This doesn’t belong here and only invites negativity.
Low effort threads should be more than a lock but a warning.
Get rid of the policy section and keep the news area. People get confused by the sections.
The forum has gotten pretty paranoid. L1T show covers and is critical of bad policy. But, they appear to live normally as should everyone. This very well could be scaring new users.
I get it, and I appreciate the response and feedback. I admit I have been overly sensitive as of late.
However, I have been personally attacked and threatened on the Internet before, for my personal and (somewhat) political beliefs. I used a gray area of legality to defend myself, and the issue resolved itself. Within the past month I’ve been called a Verizon shill and a Microsoft shill, by two different people. The seemingly apparent hostility in which those “insults” were made was one step away from some psycho throat beard attempting to dox me and threaten my livelihood.
Just saying, it’s more than a little bothersome at this point, especially since I’ve not harmed anyone. Being labeled as someone with “Stockholm syndrome” or a “shill” is pissening. Maybe my solution to these problems is to just get off the Internet.
It’s something we likely need to improve (And I’ve brought the subject up on our mod thread), We have historically been light on moderation and instead for the most part centred around self moderation etc. The flag system is good for this but requires participation, which has varying levels of success.
Perhaps being lighter on moderation worked before, but less so now and likely requires some changing on how we handle things. I certainly have some new perspective on how some of these posts people make are affecting people, so that input is appreciated.
Interestingly this reminds me of being called stasi territory for asking if something was appropriate. Which is interesting considering our generally fairly open moderation makes us the secret police…
But this is why I may make a thread about it, as it would be interesting to get input on how people think this community should be moderated, stricter action/self moderation, moderate through PMs all the time, or public moderation, etc.
Its a difficult balance to get, and id probably agree that as of late our balance may be off in regards to the people who are here.
I was trying to figure out how to say what I thought, but @kewldude007 already jumped on that grenade for us all.
I’ve left this site for several months before because AMD/Linux circlejerkery has become the new Politics and is as beyond dull and divisive as that ever was. I was bored of the low effort threads, such as a certain user’s proclivity to simply title a thread as a piece of tech news, drop a single link, and then move on from said thread with no effort to discuss or engage. I haven’t seen this of late because I honestly haven’t bothered to look outside of the Lounge. Which brings me to the next issue.
the Lounge keeps this forum alive.
we’re on a forum, connected to a Youtube channel, which is headed up by 3 people. With lives. And jobs. there is going to be slow periods. The Lounge keeps us all active and it’s the reason I’m still here. I have less than zero interest than AMD’s new Thing2.0 or how to incredibly convoluted GPU passthrough procedures. I AM interested in having a place to relax and act silly. Coincidentally, if it weren’t for the Lounge and having a place to let off steam about the Reddit worthy circlejerking and general BM, a whole lot more threads would be locked and you’d be knee deep in personal attack threads.
Tl;dr: the occasional talk of “closing” the Lounge would kill this site. Period.
What i think would make the most difference is having the moderation be more transparent. Instead of having all moderation actions or discussions be behind closed doors you could maybe be more public about it.
The only real time we see the mods doing mod things is when a thread gets really bad and a mob is basically forming. This does create this illusion of a secret police but more in the term of a ghost you never see twice.
Also more mods would probably be a good thing as there has been several times where ive flagged a post and not gotten a reply in almost 2 days
I know why it’s not there, but not how to get it back. The problem is that I’m not really interested in re-opening the whole tekxit can of worms to explain it, but let’s just say that the whole thing left certain community members more salty than the people who were actually involved in the whole situation. We need to move on completely from it if we’re going to have any hope of bringing back the community spirit here.
Regarding changes I’d like to see, I can’t believe I have to say this, but advocation for violence is not free speech and should not be allowed on the forum. No matter if it’s a forum member or not, advocating violence leads to people making bad decisions and innocent people getting hurt.
Violence because you disagree with someone’s opinion and policy changes is exactly how you lose your right to vote. (In the USA, that is)
If I were running things, which I’m not (so feel free to completely disregard this and I won’t be offended), I would have a post moderation guidelines document. You can explain what’s okay and what’s not. From there, when posts get flagged, or you come across posts in your own reading which violate the guidelines, you’ll be able to refer to policy on what to do. Whether it’s delete, leave up or message the user to remind them that their message is not appropriate for whatever reason.
I’ve been on the receiving side of a couple flags (thread linked above), which, for the life of me, I couldn’t figure out how I violated rules. The post was deleted, so it’s hard to say for sure if I’m in the right.
Maybe you should expand your team? I’m sure there are a few qualified people.
If you’re referring to politics, yes. I think you should expand that to include advocation of violence.
I disagree with this because there are many people who are legitimately trying to learn. This could become a problem if they want to join and ask questions, but find they can’t post their question until 30 days later.
This is why I try to stay out of the Microsoft section. If I post in there, I’ll inevitably tell someone to try Linux. That’s why I try to stay away from those posts.
Yeah, you’re absolutely right on this. I’ve been starting to think about posting something along the lines of “rehab for tinfoil hats”
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: When you talk on forums like this, the other people appear to be just text on a screen. That can easily make you dehumanize them. The problem there is that you easily become the evil person by attacking that “demon”.
Try not to take that crap personally, I think you’re a swell person, and I don’t care what OS you use. I like you for you!
I think that the flag system will alert you of controversial topics. I’ve passed by posts that are, by the letter of the law, not okay, but they’re not angering anyone and not really causing a problem, so I haven’t flagged them. That said, when someone posts something inflamatory or that is causing a problem, it will absolutely get a flag from me.
Some people don’t understand that this isn’t the real world and you and the rest of the moderation team decide the rules the rest of us need to play by.
I’d like to see a rule against this. 95% of threads are useful, but a few have a problem with this and we need to be able to solve this.
I’m going to disagree with you, given that the lounge moves too fast for me to keep up with it. I think that thread should really be a discord channel, but it’s not a huge issue to me.
With the current moderation staff, I doubt they’ll be able to handle the load of it. Remember that moderators are people too. They have lives, jobs and want to browse the forums they moderate without spending the whole day dealing with crap as well.
EDIT: wow, meant to just reply to a couple things, but trust me, this is worth a read.
It is. I just thought I should mention that I don’t use the lounge and I’m here all the time.
I can see that. My issue is that a fair number of people here don’t see a problem with advocating violence. I linked, just below that paragraph, a forum thread where it happened. A couple posts were deleted by moderation, but the long and short of it was that someone was advocating for killing the sitting FCC Chairman because of his stance on NN. I responded telling him that it was okay to disagree and think he’s a terrible person but that it’s not okay to advocate for killing him. That post was removed as well.
Regarding the vague notion: This was a clear call for violence and could not be interpreted as anything else. Since I don’t have a screenshot, I can’t expect you to trust me.
I don’t know. Perhaps let people talk about what they want instead of forcing your morals and opinion on everyone. There are so many White Knights and SJWs here that you can’t have a genuinely interesting and fun discussion/argument because there is always someone that gets offended or feels the need to right your opinion. If you don’t like something then just stop replying to that person. Or mute the topic but leave other people alone.
To be honest the moderation here is terrible. The most interesting threads are all locked because special snowflakes can’t handle any criticism.
“I don’t like where this is going.” - Lock thread!
“I disagree with you” - Lock Thread!
“I am offended by this.” - Lock Thread!
“This is very old” - Lock Thread!
“I find this disturbing” - Lock Thread!
You lot are like chinese gov constantly wanting to control what people say on the internet. And the more you control what people say the more boring this forum will be. Yes people are leaving because politics is not allowed, Necro is not allowed, NSFW is not allowed, anything you don’t like is not allowed. In the end you may as well have no forum at all.
Do what you want, but don’t cry when people leave.
I trust that it HAPPENED, no doubt. Whether it was hyperbole or not is what I’m pointing to. The fact that we’re even discussing it shows that interpretations differ WILDLY in text and having blanket laws will undoubtedly lead to people being punished for far vaster crimes than they even imagined. Nothing is final yet but I’m not for straying into areas where the mods will have to try and discern true meaning of a post AS WELL AS if the post breaks other rules.