Ok so ryzen is released and we're starting to see results from independent testing.
My use case will be mostly gaming with intentions to use VMs for learning, as well as video editing.
I'm not even really sure I need the i7 with the single core performance of it compared to the i5, or would the additional performance outside of gaming be worth it, worth it enough to take an additional hit in clock for the greater number of cores?
This is just musings I realise ultimately this will come down to what I want to pay. (r1700 cheaper than i7 here.) Also feel I could do what I want to with an i5 and not realise the difference and if the editing videos catches on later on upgrade to the new thing.
I think that is an easy pick. Do you want 4 of the strongest cpu cores on the market? or 8 slightly slower ones? if you're not doing some real heavy editing that few mins of rendering would matter to you. Or the slightly better ST performance would even matter. I'd say get what is cheaper and offers more for the buck.
I think the ryzen's B350 mobos at ~100-120$ do offer some good amount of features for much less $ than intel's. but that again depends on where you live and the prices.
perhaps you should focus on getting a faster ssd rather than focus too much on the CPU.
also remember that if you go with 7700k and plan to heavily OC it then you surely need a high end AIO cooler since they run pretty hot. thats 100-150$ more.
Gaming performance is fine. It is no different above 1080p for the most part. At 1080p it is a little slower but not noticable so. Performance should improve over the next few weeks as well.
VMs and video editing love more CPU cores. That will greatly outweigh the clock and IPC disadvantage that Ryzen has. Most 1700s can OC to 3.9-4.0 as well so you're well covered there. For the price I think it is quite a good deal for what you want to do.
Regardless though I would hold off for a bit. Ryzen is a new platform and there are teething issues. Give it a bit for them to sort out before you buy. Plus the 6 cores will be out by then and you may only need one of those. Which would still prob be faster than a 7700K for rendering and VM work
Just got new ssd will be setting it up this evening. Currently have a 7700 amd apu so have been planning the upgrade for a while. I also got an AIO cooler a while back on special. Thinking I might just grab some ddr4 that's on special and wait a week or two. Might get lucky enough for sales to tip me either way.
The IPC on Ryzen is plenty good for gaming, and the core count (and how good SMT is for them) means that you have a lot of horsepower for other tasks. So yeah, definitely Ryzen. Be it an R7 or wait for an R5. Either will be a good option.
I wondered how it would be before these threads appear ? Basically too early to tell as the R7 is not a pure gamer cpu. A lot of stuff has to mature before anyone has good measure. Patience is your friend and keep an eye on next tier cpu's. You have no reason to impulse buy now unless your are on a aging platform that is failing.
Ryzen if not for all the reasons said above me do it for a socket that will live longer than intel. Your future upgrade path is much better and cheaper given your happy with the motherboard you choose. Always disliked intel for making you upgrade your motherboard with a new CPU every 2 years.
ryzen sounds like the chip for your situation, but if you want to use vm's you should know that gpu pass through is currently NOT working on ryzen. should be fixed in software soon? wait a week or two.
I dont have patients, that has been used by waiting for ryzen.
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Will wait but still 7700k is loooking like the best option, my primary concern is gaming, I'll gpu bottle neck to fuck, only have 1050ti at present but that was meant to benefit my current set up, (this failed because I don't have enought pci slots, and I'm using internal wifi, my current only option. looking at the z270 strikx board @wendell reviewed it has everything I need.) and then be passed on with future growth of the system. (I'm drunk.)
No one has actually convinced me to go higher than i5 7600k. I feel that will meet my needs and I can stop caring about the bigger c*#k aspect..
(I work on a fishing boat skipper got an i7 laptop for way too cheapp.)
Yep if gaming is the main workload, then the 7700K is indeed the better choice. Its simply better in pretty much every game arround the board. The 1700 will be pretty hard to get upto 4.0GHz 24/7 stable. Ryzen just doesnt overclock really well. And that is exally one of its main problems.
I'm gonna go one step down & suggest looking at 6700k. There are some great deals on ex display Z170 boards around right now. You're not going to notice much difference between that & the 7700k unless you plan to push 5GHz+.
The 1700 seems to be a pretty great buy & the gaming performance is just fine.
Both the 1700 & i7 will give you the cores you want for VMs & video editing. i5 would work, but not nearly as well.
All comes down to price really (and sticking it to Intel for bleeding us dry over the years).
I think Intel would need to drop the price of building a Kaby Lake system before I'd take socket 1151 over AM4. AMD has everything going for in a future sense apart from it gets beat by Kaby and Sky if you want to play games at 120 FPS right now. I think that 6-12 months from now though, Ryzen will be faster at everything including gaming on windows.
Intel are at around $85-90 per core and AMD are at $40 with the 1700 and $60 with the 1800X. The Intel quad cores need a 50% price drop before they make sense again. Common sense says AMD.
The one caveat right now is if you go with Intel you drop in the 7700K you're done. With AM4 you might have a bumpy ride for a couple months and few more WTF moments with Windows. But they it's Windows. Who hasn't had WTF moments or wanted to strangle a Windows CEO from time to time.
ye but also its really hard to push the 6700K to 5Ghz unless you're extremely lucky. even the 7700K 5Ghz is still hard to get. my friend got 7700K and was only able to hit 4.9 with it and it wasnt stable at all not to mention temps were spiking sky high despite he's using an AIO. Thats not saying its a bad processor. i think it is a great one even at 4.6-4.7. but ye 5ghz is very hard on a 6700k.
Yeah, I wish people stopped saying that it's easy to get 5GHz on a 7700k. They just mean that in comparison to older Intel CPU's it is easier to obtain on cooling that isn't LN2. That does not mean that you can just enter the settings in the BIOS and you'll have a stable overclock. It just means that if you win the silicon lottery, you can possibly get a 5GHz overclock that is stable on a high-end cooler. /rantover
If u are just in the market for primarily a gaming PC and not much video editing/professional work than I'd suggest wait for the R5 1600X if u have the patience. If not the 7700K would be an exceptional choice for more optimal performance