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oh well, at least you aren't going nvidia :P

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i dont know that yet. ☺

far out €400, thats €40 worse than Australian prices.

Wouldnt really worry too much about ddr3 to be honest. There is probably so much stockpiled that it'll be around for many moons to come. Only thing ddr4 has going for it imho at the present is max dimm capacity, higher Mt/s and voltage. Latencies are higher and high spec speed demons kits are uber expensive. Meanwhile ddr3 prices are only going to go down in price.

Don't Join the Darkside.

Stay with the Hardware that keeps you warm during those winter months and Rock out :P lol

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lol Elrick seens to have the same case as i do. lol ☺

I am not bothering with x99 until the memory improves.. the best ddr4 is currently equal to the best of ddr3, i consider that more of a sidegrade... at the moment that is.

i know its pretty standard when a new memory standard is released and I have been through it enough times to learn a little patience and wait for the good stuff instead of the crap at launch.

jokes aside I was eyeing up the 4790k myself as well, seems like the best gaming cpu you can get... plus overclocked you can get near 1000 points in cinebench :0... that is pretty important to me as I am a cinema4d user.

No it's not.. it's stock is 3333mhz or something isn't it? For gaming there will be no difference no, and you could probably stay with ddr3 for at least 5 years and be fine because RAM means nothing in video games these day, well the speed of it at least 

Ram does mean something. With Higher Clock-speed Ram an APU in games can perform Much better. AMD needs to jump on the DDR4 Train cause it will benefit them a lot.

I dont think your use case makes a whole lot of sense. First question is you stated:

Your motherboard is having issues.

In order for me to help with this, I think it is important to first ask, what "issues"? 

Second you stated a main goal of your rig was virtualization. What exactly are you virtualizing? If your main computer is used as some sort of server, and you have some VMs running off of your main PC I think there are quite a few issues with that and is generally considered a bad idea. A server should absolutely be a separate fixture in your network. 

I think you should transition your FX8350 into a server. You can underclock and undervolt it if power consumption is an issue...but you said previously you don't care about power consumption. you can run something like ProxMox or another type 1 Hypervisor/front end and end up with a much better more reliable and more secure environment than you are currently in.

I think, if you are really serious about "upgrading" you should do it the "right way" instead of all this mickey mousing with virtualizing on your gaming computer. I've been blowing money trying to build a single computer to do everything and I've wasted thousands of dollars over the past 10 years.

 side-grades to a 4790k is a perfect example of the stupid things I've done and has done nothing but caused me to waste my time. Between overclocking, tweaking, doing backups, reinstalling your OS, retrieving your backups, reconfiguring your programs... you are about to waste a ton of time and drop $500 on a system thats <10% faster in most cases...

 

My opinion, Save that money to build yourself a real new system, and "retire" your current system to serving media/nas/virtualization/firewall duties, whatever you want. You will be infinitely happier and you will have a powerful infrastructure that will make your initial investment on that gaming machine last another 5 years.

Then, since you won't need X99 since all that crazy stuff is out of the way, you can use your money to

A) Buy a 4770k+motherboard+RAM 

B) Buy a 4670k+motherboard+RAM+R9 290/290X

C) Continue to save money until the spring, Buy Broadwell-K and a R9 3XX chip.

 

I vote C, unless your motherboard issues are something serious, and just little annoying quirks

The debate has begun, the gauntlet was thrown. I don't think we are far off tho.. because you did say u wanted to use the 8350 as a second rig. I just don't think you are approaching the issue correctly.

Oh yeah but apart from that it can be 1333mhz and nothing will be different haha.

the problem with my current mobo, is that there is a latency issue between lan and audio chip. causing audio services to crash all the time.  And making the whole system unstable. ☺

i allready tried everything to solve the issue, but no luck. realtek lan just sucks

So all the caveats in my post about your mobo can be ignored. you can disable the on board audio in the BIOS. Or the NIC... or both... and use it as a server... maybe with an Intel NIC

 

My option C is sounding even better. You Can Buy A Measly Intel NIC for 15 to 20 bucks on ebay or 45 bucks new on newegg...disable your on board LAN... and presto chango it will last you till Broadwell or even Skylake in the middle of next year. I think your current system will easily do well for you for another 6 months. 

 

And by that point you can figure out your computer/server identity crisis and get real enterprise class like performance from your home network by reusing perfectly good used components

yeah well the thing is, that it seems to be operating system related mainaly.

THe latency issue, causing audio service in windows 7 to crash, windows 8.1 seems to handle it better. on there the audio services dont crash. only a littlebit of lagg somethimes. But not as terrible as on windows 7. the latency seems to create some sort of cpu or mem leak. also i have overclocking problems with my current board.

But i think that Z97 might be the better upgrade for me. like i said for gaming and littlebit of rendering, X99 doesnt make much sense at all.

Z97 with 4790k is basicly a cheap an fast upgrade. because i can re-use my current ram for now. The diffrences between X99 and Z97 upgrade, would be arround €250 atm. and thats allmost decent gpu so yeah.

I bought my second one used for  a good price. Also watercooled em so I could overclock them as high as they would go before exploding. 

Sounds like you got the upgrade itch and you want us to scratch it. If I were in your position I would wait til mid november, hopefully AMD will have a solid release date for us by then. DDR4 looks slightley faster then quad channel DDR3. I'll probably wait for prices to drop before I move to a DDR4 platform myself. 

Probably best to keep it in the bank and wait for some killer deals to drop in your lap.

If you have no real need for x99 I would hold out for about 4 more months before buying into it-  or go for an x79.  To me the pricing is still a little on the high side. 

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I edited my n previous post.

I really don't understand what is causing your issue. I would have to look at it. But it certainly sounds software related. But tthat's not really the most import thing. If you are using it as a server to virtualize instances of whatever it is you are virtualizing then you don't need to worry about windows audio services... since if you do replace your computer ... you should usr that comouter...A headless server.

But you still haven't expanded on what you need the virtualization for.. and why you want to do it on your main computer? I think that drastically impacts hardware recomendations. 

 

Broadwell isnt realy interessting to wait for

Simply because there wont be a big improvement in ipc. Its just an haswell refresh nothing more nothing less. The only big improvement on broadwell will be on the igpu. but i will not use that.

I worked with linux and kvm for a while and that works realy great on a FX8350 i have to say.

i have a few HDD´s spare case, and such laying arround, so its easy for me to build a second rig.

on this moment i m back on windows.

We don't really know that yet. Sure it's not huge... but we don't know how it scales with clock speed and we certainly don't know how it will overclock.

But you are ignoring my main critique still. It does work great. Why does your new gaming computer need to be able to do it too. Gaming and streaming... that's all u need it for.

Its high dpc latency, something for which is out of the realm of 'fixing'. Many am3 boards suffer from it and too little reviews actually test it - anandtech are the only ones that consistently test it on each board.