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Hey, everyone. 

I'm seeking a recommendation for a motherboard to base a computer build on that I hope to do sometime before the summer at the latest. What I am looking for is something that supports the latest CPU on either the Intel side or AMD, has USB 3.0, backwards compatibility with older CPU's (to start on a lower budget, and upgrade to something better later), 4 RAM slots, and slots for at least 2 PCIe 3.0 graphics cards (for potential sli/crossfire setup), and enough PCI expansion slots for possibly a soundcard and capture card. I don't plan to get all the components for all the slots I want to have right away when I first build it, but it would be nice to have those options later down the road.

I guess what I'm looking for is a full-size mobo with with all the latest compatiblity plus room for further expansion, but on a budget. If I can spend roughly $99 on a mobo with these things, then that would be great. Researching the mobo's has seemed to be the biggest headache for me as the other components are easy to figure out once you know what board you want. Any help with this, or even just tips on how to sort out motherboards by features, would be GREATLY appreciated, all!

Thanks,

Shawn

EDIT: I believe for what I'm wanting my budget would be around the $700 mark. So if we can keep it around there, then that would be awesome.

what is your budget

 

What EPICSNIPER145 said, you can't really have a budget for a single part as it can hinder others. What is your over all budget?

yeah would need an overall budget to give the best help. Personally thou i tend to choose a CPU first then build the system around that.

pcpartpicker.com 

Use that, put a build together that's in your range. Post it here, people will tell you what they would do instead, try to convince you to choose a slightly more expensive version of everything you picked or tell you to wait, and then finally you will have to decide if any of them are worth listening to.

Well, the newest Intel socket hasn't come out yet, but there are 2 other Intel options: 2011 and 1155. 2011 is newer, and will have future support for newer processors, such as Ivy Bridge-E. The cheapest CPU for socket 2011 is the 3820, a quad-core, compared to the other 6-core 2011 CPUs. The 3820 is about $285, and performs a little worse than the i7 3770k (but better in some cases, as with most components), which is the best socket 1155 quad-core. This brings me into the 1155 socket. 1155 has been around for longer than the 2011 socket. It has been around at least since Sandy Bridge processors. The newest CPUs from Intel - that are currently out, at least - are on socket 1155; they are Ivy Bridge processors. They start with the i3 and go up to the i7 (not i7-E, which stands for enthusiast; i.e. more expensive/more powerful). An i5 3570k CPU, which doesn't support hyper-threading (virtualizing cores; i.e., makes a quad-core show up as an 8 core), and will cost about $220. Socket 1155 motherboards are cheaper, and if you plan on using socket 1155, you should go with the Intel Z77 chipset. The chipset controls the functions of the motherboard and works in tandem with the CPU on certain tasks. There are other chipsets for the 1155 socket, but Z77 is the best - pay the extra $15 for it, it is worth it. However, on socket 2011, you have a much better chipset - X79. The X79 chipset supports quad-channel memory (RAM), which makes equally clocked memory able to perform on 2 extra lanes for data transfer. Z77 only supports dual-channel, which is still extremely good. Socket 2011 is more expensive, but has more room for upgrade in the future. If you plan on keeping a motherboard through more than one CPU upgrade, 2011 is the way to go. If you use socket 1155, you are stuck with the i7 3770k (which currently murders everything - I have one in this build and I love it, but I wish I had gone with socket 2011 for upgrades later on) or some medium-end Intel Xeon processors, a CPU series intended for servers, mostly. Socket 2011 also has some in-house, high-end Xeon processors that run some of the most demanding servers out there.

If you plan on using socket 1155/Z77, I recommend going with this combination: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/75Oe

Sure, you could build the "Cheap-Ass Gaming Rig" for a little more, but this will allow you to upgrade in the future.

If you plan on using the more recent/upgradable socekt 2011/X79, I recommend one of the following combinations:

(i7 3830) http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4X6F

(i7 3930k - 6-core CPU) http://pcpartpicker.com/p/539O

The second 2011 combination is much more expensive - almost twice as much as the socket 1155 combo. However, the 3930k has 6 cores, making renderring and gaming performance faster. However, is a jump of ~$330 worth it? The price/performance ratio is not equivalent, but the performance is better. A side note - in some tests, the i5 3570k has beaten the i7 3820, but the 1155 socket is old and will not be worked on further.

 

For AMD, you may want to wait. The current high-end AMD socket is AM3+, containing powerhouse CPUs, such as the 8150. AMD is a cheaper company, yes - making their price/performance higher. Their overclockability(is that a word?) is very good as well. However, in my personal opinion, based on research and as little bias as possible, Intel is a better performing CPU. Even if AMD is cheaper (sometimes a lot more), I find Intel's micro-architecture to be simpler and more effective. AMD CPUs have more twists and turns; a longer pipeline. Intel has shorter pipelines, making the transfer of data faster. However, I also believe that AMD makes some great, affordable processors. At a certain point, you are paying thousands of dollars (water-cooling, 4xSLI, i7 3970X, etc.) for performance increases of miniscule amounts - $1000 more for 3 more FPS doesn't make sense. At that point, it isn't worth it. That is where AMD wins, I believe. AMD offers performance at a great price, and has enough support in the market to be competitive. If you are pressed for money, get an AMD FX CPU, such as the 8120 or 6300, and an AM3+ socket motherboard and you will be fine. Upgradability, however, will be limited with socket AM3+ - much more so that socket 2011. If you want to be able to keep your motherboard for multiple interations of upgrades, I recommend socket 2011. If you want to get a computer built soon, and with a small budget, then AM3+ is the better option.

If you plan on using socket AM3+, here is what I would recommend: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZAk

Yes, it is cheaper than the socket 1155, but socket AM3+ is doomed to a similar fate of obseletion. I would recommend saving up for a socket 2011 combination, but if your budget limits you, go with AMD. I hope I helped!

Cheers,

 

Brennan Riddell

I was thinking the cheap rig at first, 350, but after looking around, I'm thinking it's going to be more around $500-ish. 

And THANK you for clearing some of the motherboard information up for me. It can be overwhelming going over all the options. Great points to consider. At first I was considering going the AM3+ route because of cost, but you've definitely made an argument in upgradeability with the 2011 boards.

Well, looking at the links...looks like my budget is going to be pushing to the 700 at MOST range. I think I could make that work and still have room for upgrades in the future to the CPU, etc. However, I had a question in regards to AMD overall - while they are cheaper, and offer backwards compatibility and such, it seems as though they become obsolete rather quickly? Just clarifying this, because I thought AM3+ boards were relatively new.

Yes, AM3+ is a relatively new socket, but plans for future upgrades are minimal at best. AMD doesn't add more CPUs for a socket - they make a new socket. One of the benefits of Intel, but if your budget is $700 (and I hope that isn't including the monitor), AMD is practically your only option. Here - I made a config for you: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z0OH

The Hyper 212 Evo is not necessary, and removing it from the build keeps you under $700, but it is a lot better than the stock cooler. If you need a monitor in there, too, that is at least another $100 to squeeze in there. Hope I helped!

Cheers,

 

Brennan Riddell

Luckily I have a 19" monitor that I purschased years ago that still works great that I can use until I'm able to afford an HD one, so I'm good there. So, I think I see what your saying - if AMD produces, hypothetically, a 10 core CPU next, the AM3+ won't support it, but if they make a new 8 core, it should fit in AM3+. However, if intel makes a new CPU with 8 cores instead of their current core amounts, then it could very well work on their current boards. This is just what I'm guessing from what you said in regards to that. Please let me know if I've got this flip-flopped lol. And thank you for helping pick out parts, everyone. It's a big help. Hopefully around tax time I can start atleast getting the main components for what I wish to build. Who knows, maybe I'll be able better bits as well!

It can be very overwhelming looking at everything. Watch a lot of the tek's how to video go on neweggs channel they have a whole video on building a pc. On parts though like the motherboard and all that just start doing research. Look up the motherboards find reviews. Same thing with everything else dont rush it get to know what exactly you need and want in every part.

the next lot of AMD CPU's will be AM3+ aswell, was leaked back in september (steamroller series i think)

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2208525/amd-sticks-with-socket-am3-for-steamroller

Thank you for pointing this out! :)

What I've come up with on my own is this - http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z9WL However, given my budget of $700, I might be able to to squeeze in a better mobo that would give longevity to it.

there are some better HDDs for the price on PC part picker so go with those

Thanks, giga. You've given me some new ideas as well about the composition I could get. :)

So with PCpartpicker.com, I compiled a new build that I feel does two things for me - saves me money, but at the same time, gives me room to upgrade in the future to keep the build relevant to my needs, which will be mild to moderate work within SketchUp, Premiere Elements 10, and Unity. As well as gaming with current games that interest me (Witcher 2, Planetside 2, Natural Selection 2, Star Conflict, Bioshock Infinite, Far Cry 3, and some others that I know will run fine). 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Bc7r

Let me know what you guys think, and what you might change about it. Thanks again, all!