#grumpyram is like
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Shit senses tell me that the mood switch will stay identical so I could aswell find lowest working one for these regular 3200 sticks
Very interesting, once again.
AMD might split up cores and controllers into separate dies with ZEN2.
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| Paramters | Input |
|---|---|
| Die Width [w] (mm) | 9.68 |
| Die Height [h] (mm) | 22.06 |
| Horizontal Scribe Lane [sh] (mm) | 0.2 |
| Vertical Scribe Lane [sv] (mm) | 0.2 |
| Wafer Diameter (mm) | 300 |
| Edge Loss (mm) | 5.00 |
| Defect Density (#/sq.cm) [Worst Case] | 0.5 |
| Manual wafer placement [horizontal shift] | 0 |
| Manual wafer placement [vertical shift] | 5 |
| Die Centering / Wafer Centering | check |
That vertical shift can net on average 3 more working dies for Ryzen’s rectangular shape 
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Cant find cldo_vddp from x370 taichi, just regular vddp, which I bravely degraded from 0.9 down to 0.8 and it seems to work, should probably run that prime95
Then there are some weird apu and soc vddp’s over the messy hex side panel, to which options are auto-down-up 
Stop raining on my parade. 
Yeah, I figured it wasn’t possible, but it’s fun to speculate about. Thanks for the diagrams and explanation. Really cleared it up.
Why not one of these:
https://www.titancomputers.com/AMD-EPYC-Based-Workstation-Computers-s/1021.htm
http://www.velocitymicro.com/promagix-hd360a-epyc-workstation-pc.php
They only start at what, US 4K? 
Them regular 3200 sticks
soc 0.95
dram 1.345
vddp 0.81
Vddp 0.8 froze warframe, and that 0.81 succesfully does the things
Ok I was wrong. I just got to play with a Ryzen 2400G.
And I previously stated that the GPU would share the CPU Vcore Bus power rail. Except…
Oh god WTF AMD.
It seems the Ryzen APU’s are actually powering the Vega GPU core from the rather seriously limited SoC voltage rail because the GPU core needs lower voltages than the CPU core. ~1V GPU vs 1.4V CPU.
So they chose to use the lower SoC voltage supply.
This is of course a compromise due to technical limitations/necessity.
But this means that it can lead to huge variation in performance based on mainboard SoC voltage supply and on cheap dirty mainboards will put a lot of strain on the SoC VRM.
It also means that the Ryzen APU’s may run at higher SoC voltages and thus hotter than necessary.
But as it appears, this isn’t something you can easily work around without redesigning the mainboards specifically for Ryzen APU’s.
Now it’s still well within the limits of any modern VRM’s. However any overclock or long term wear can have a much more significant impact on system stability/ performance and operational lifetime.
Average 2 phase SoC VRM (around 25A per phase) assuming 1.2V = 60Watt
Vega APU Stock = 30-35Watt.
Vega APU MAXED to 1600Mhz = ~55-60Watt + CPU SoC power draw and you notice that it’s running over the budget.
Which means stick proper heatsinks on all the low end boards or go nuts on the SoC phases.
And that’s what full platform compatibility gets you
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Well this is interesting…
I wonder if @MisteryAngel wants to go over best SoC power configs now? 
/s?
After searching things about vddp and that cldo_vddp,
it seems like some take that SoC voltage down with these “tbh not sure which one”, as you suggested, but its still unclear what have others done
So, what I am trying to say is that if that ram is doing that 3200 CL14 as easily as mine seems to be doing,
you could still get everything to around 1.0v’s, right?
Think mine defaulted to 1.1v SoC 0.9v vddp 1.35v dram
Which I pulled down to 0.95v SoC 0.810v vddp 1.345 dram
Actually after thinking about it for a bit, is this another piece of the puzzle for why overclocking the CPU and GPU on RR see limited performance increases after a point?
I’ve been watching TechEpiphany’s videos on the APU’s and he seems to have given up on a CPU OC of any note (all running at 3.6GHz lately) but the GPU is running up to 1675MHz with very nice results, suggesting that the CPU is not limited in terms of frame delivery but opening up the GPU with more bandwidth (high RAM speeds) helps a lot. Maybe it’s just getting all the watts that were otherwise stabilizing the SoC?
I don’t know enough to know whether this makes sense or not.
Yeah wenn you first mentioned that in the other topic,
I asked you about some sources on this.
Because it didnt really sounded kinda right to me.
Unless AMD used some kind of a Fivr ish concept for those apu’s that i had not heard about yet.
And i didnt had the time to lookup any additional information on it yet.
I could do that eventually wenn i have some time.
i kinda doubt that these apu’s are going to become very popular doe.
But i will see if i can make a list of “budget” boards with reasonable soc vrm’s.
But yeah the Asus Crosshair 6 Extreme has the best SOC vrm lol.
Mostly I’m curious about the mITX boards. I ordered the Gigabyte AB350N and it seems they run fine from reviews like MindBlank:
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Basiclly they should run fine on pretty much any am4 board.
I dont really see a huge problem yet.
But of course cheap boards with lower quality mosfets will run a bit hotter.
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Does anyone know if the new 2200g and 2400 g APUs have the 4k decode DRM on chip. Like can they do Amazon and Netflix at 4k and run that pioneer 4k blu ray drive?
Yes they can. I don’t know about DRM for this context. Buy they can hardware decode 4K just fine.
OK just checked and this article confirms it will be made available with even more features in future.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12442/amd-plans-playready-3-support-for-polaris-and-vega-gpus-in-2018
Well, thread title says anything, so here it is:
I modeled and rendered my 2400G in Fusion 360 as part of a self-challenge to 3D model one thing per day (which I’ll be doing in Fusion and SolidWorks depending, and might take up Inventor if I get the urge).
Regular screenshots of the model:
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Well this is interesting if true, at least from an academic perspective (I won’t be buying one no matter what’s in it):
I think we need an “ANYTHING ON RYZVEGA” thread…