StoreMI: Why Tiered Storage is better than cache on x470/Zen+ and Threadripper | Level One Techs

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This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://level1techs.com/video/storemi-why-tiered-storage-better-cache-x470zen-and-threadripper
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Great video @wendell!

I can see this being a killer feature for the cheapo family builds where you don’t even need to leave multiple drives available to confuse mom and dad.

Adding to that, this a great feature for prebuilts for the same reason. Better performance and no visible BS. I hope this pushes AMD further into the mainstream markets again.

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What makes StoreMI better than other “shity” tiered storage implementations mentioned in the video?

It is definitely a selling point for this generation of the chipset right now. I highly doubt this technology will be widely adopted among normal consumers though.

Will this become a well-maintained feature through several generations or just another buggy implementation in the corner? Only time can tell.

Just another reason to buy X399 over X299.

I think I’m waiting for a fire sale on a 1950X, or I’ll just hold out for the 4.2ghz all core on Threadripper 2.

@wendell
What’s the reliability/safety factor though? Is it more reliable/safe than RAID? Or is it basically in the same tier?

Like if the SSD fails do you still keep all the data you had on the hard drive?

As a side I bought one of the 2.5" 2TB FireCuda Hybrid drives and it’s been pretty alright.

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Hey, can you merge this tiered storage SSD thingy with a RAID array of spinning rust? If it just merges one volume to another should that not work?

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Can I use StoreMI with my drives on RAID1 configurations? like two SSDs on RAID1 and two 4TB HDDs on RAID1?

Will the software see my individual drives of will it see my RAID Volumes?

If so how would it affect the read speeds?

Looking forward to the linux side of this discussion… ZFS has been a “work in progress” to take full advantage of tiered storage by itself. It just never expected to have drives as fast as nvme…

I’ve seen talk of having scaling from tape to ram-drive and everyting in-between, but I haven’t had time to or inclination to be this close to the edge. raid6 + caching continues to be the best cross-product of speed and data integrity (write in particular) for me, but I really want to move to ZFS for its backup, sync, container, etc… features…

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What a shame that the free AMD-version does not support x399!

The feq says its free for x399. All my TR systems are Linux ATM… https://www.amd.com/system/files/2018-04/AMD-StoreMI-FAQ.pdf

No raid compatibility unfortunately

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So that tech doesn’t work on the 300 series boards. Do I need the 2000 series CPUs then?
If I upgrade the motherboard and keep the Ryzen 1000 series, can I use that technology?

The tech does work on 300 series chipsets under a different name I believe -‘Enmotus FuzeDrive software’, you’ll just have to pay a fee (:

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Wendell, if this is entirely a software technology does that mean we can have a free and open source implementation on Linux? Perhaps even on the B450 platform? We don’t need AMD’s blessings for this, do we?

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He says in the video that Linux will be addressed on the L1L channel.

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thanks also is it just me or does the text look fuzzy on this video?

maybe it is my verizon fios acting up because google was late with this month’s ransom money?

maybe, but the installer says otherwise:
StoreMI%20on%20X399
Installer version: AMD_StoreMI_install_Win64_1.3.1.17380_PR.exe

If I were to buy an SSHD (ie Seagate firecuda) and pair that with an M.2 NVME drive (Samsung 960 Evo) would it be better than pairing the same M.2 NVME drive with a traditional Hard Drive (ie seagate barracuda)?

I’m curious to know if there would be any advantages in this scenario for an SSHD over an HDD.

p.s. the YouTube video on StoreMi was very informative

I am hoping this is just a problem with the installer on the website since it worked with the press version… I emailed AMD they aren’t sure so we will see I guess.

Maybe I’m an outlier, but I used Intel Smart Response Technology for years without any issues. I had an Intel 330 60GB SSD paired with a dog-slow 2TB WD Green drive. The combination worked pretty well, Windows booted quickly, my most recent games loaded quickly, and I never lost any data.

Now perhaps the reason I never lost any data was that I always used write-through caching and not write-back caching - cause, ya know, I like my data. Sure enough, I had a few power outages and crashes, but the Intel software always rebuilt whatever index it needed and I was able to continue onward.

Breaking the SSD/HD pair was pretty easy too. Just turn off “Accelerated” mode in the Intel software and reboot.

Now I just wish I could use StoreMI on my X370 system…

You can… It’s just not included (let’s not call it free, since it isn’t really).