My friend recently told me about his PC that he had someone build for him. He said they decided on an AMD FX-8350 for 'budget' reasons. (He paid $170 for the processor)
An i5 4460 costs only several dollars more. And when you add in the fact that you can run it on a cheaper board, AMD really starts to make next to no sense.
FX 8350 + mid-range motherboard= $260 to $280
i5 4460 + any H81 motherboard= $230 to $250
To sum it all up. Please don't buy an AMD CPU for gaming. It just doesn't make sense. You can definitely spend less, and get more with Intel's lower end i5 processors
Some people want at least 4 cores but don’t want to pay that much for an i5. There are some triple A games coming out now that don’t support dual core processors, so the Pentium Anniversary isn’t very practical. Some AMD's cheaper 4 core CPUs can be good for people in that in-between spot of wanting 4 cores but still on a small budget.
8 cores... vm's and some types of applications are gaining much more than from intel's quad/dual cores. HT help a little... but physical core performs better... even if its sharing cache.
yes. I did. Games are also applications. Some perform better when there's more cores... most software runs on 4 cores only though... because programmers are dumb.
In a handful of special scenarios, Yes. The 8350 does perform better. But on a more consistant basis, in gaming, the i5 beats any AMD solution. I'm sorry. I'm just speaking the truth. Not being mean.
i understand that, but the problem is on api's programmed to use 4 threads instep of full core array.
Intel is better, but its not feeding us with proper new hardware since sandy bridge... which makes people who not only game look at amd which provides us currently 8 cores which we need for certain soft.
good example is here where API mantle supports all cores the difference is very small and thats against apu (so 4 cores for cpu)
and there is big difference in price between those 2.
Do you have any sense of the performance of an 8350? Do you realize its potential? Do you realize how dumb you sound saying that an 8350 is a bad entry level gaming choice?
Lets start out with how dumb your projected prices are. Here's an 8350 and a very capable, overclocking ready motherboard: AMD. Here's an equivalent intel I5 setup, so same features on board and overclocking: Intel. I make it an overclocking capable rig because an overclocked 8350, which you can do on very cheap hardware, will destroy the locked clock speed I5's once overclocked. So if you want Intel to win in games, you need to have an overclocking board and unlocked I5. So your paying $60 more for the I5, and then the gap widens because the 8350 routinely goes on sale for $130-150. So then the gap can get close to $100. Keep that in mind that its a $100 more expensive when you get to gaming and productivity benchmarks.
Who only games on there machines? Who doesn't do some video editing or messing around with streaming when they get board or on a more consistent basis? I will reference cinebench r15 for this point as it is a good test of rendering capabilities. Here is the Tek Syndicate Cinebench R15 thread: Thread. So for reference an 8350 at 4.5ghz which is a fairly standard affair that can be done with a 212 evo rather inexpensively. It scored 720 when MysteryAngel tested her own 8350. For comparison I will be using Kat's 4670k at 4.3ghz which is a pretty standard overclock for a haswell I5. He scored 630. So we have a 90 point difference. Which in productivity is a pretty massive score. Especially considering that 8350 score is around a 4770k's stock score. Comparing the 4770k's overclock score for a 4.4ghz overclock makes the 8350 look bad frankly, but remember if you had a new I7 instead of the 4690k in the cheapest as possible I5 cpu+mobo combo build, you'd be almost be paying double for the I7. So for productivity you'd be paying $60-100 more for the I5 and be 14% slower.
Ok so games. Since the overclocked I5 to 8350 comparison due to the pricing of the intel is well, laughable---I'll be using the closer, but still more expensive locked I5's to compare against. Lets look at some battlefield 4 benchmarks! Here we have a comparison of the many of the newest intel processors and amd stuff against one another! http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page6.html This is getting funny I might add. Lets reference the 4770k and 8350 scores. Both are stock clocked although the 4770k is clocked faster then your I5 offering, and the 8350 can still be overclocked to gain a couple fps. The 4770k scored 97fps. What did the 8350 score? 96fps. Lets break this down some more. That 97fps is going to be slightly higher then your I5 offering, and the 8350 is going to be gaining speed. So we have the 8350 being as fast, or more then likely faster in BF4 which is a hard game on both cpu and gpu. I would love to bring you more benchmarks so I can laugh some more, but I have other things to do.
I'm confused as to why there is a thread that is trying to breach a controversial topic, by providing nothing but a price tag? Thank you to thecaveman for actually providing information.
Because there are people want overclocking and don't mind going for worse options. I do agree FX-8350 is not as consistent as i5, there are applications that an FX makes sense. Streaming is a good example where you easily have cores to handle the streaming.
FX may just continue to live on, DX12 is ridiculously good on FX and i7, they will continue to make sense. In my region, i3 may cost more than FX, and impression of many is that i3 = dinosaur. Thus they buy FX and AMD solutions. It is very narrow minded of you saying FX is not viable.
Uh Cyklon, have you even seen the X99 architecture? The new i7s are kind of amazing..
Also to OP it is perfectly fine for some one going for an 8350 (best amd has to offer) over plucking more money down for an i5. People don't have a lot of money, hell that's the whole reason I went with the 8120 in the first place.
ddr4 yeah its amazing but too expensive for actual use. Still i do not see it as big improvements for normal customer without $1k to spend on mobo+cpu.
It is a 5 year or more investment. I'm just going to attempt at saving money. Thought about picking up a second job, but I feel exhausted as is working overnights.
Okay let me put it another way, because I chose the AMD route, I haven't been able to play a lot of high end games based on just how poor an AMD CPU is with handling tasks. I'll take a 5 year investment over possibly making replacements every two years and having to rebuild. I would also like to do more, than just game. Such as streaming, programming, virtual machine test environments. It has taken me so long to even have an income to look at this stuff seriously. Finally landing a job in IT with just my two year has really helped.
Maybe you could clarify what you mean by no point in investment?
