I'm currently using my r9 290x and 8350 as a heater for my room (works really well actually), I'm moving to Phoenix Arizona in June. I need a system that wont combat the AC in Phoenix's hot weather. Nvidia and AMD are coming out with 14 nm parts this year (unclear when hopefully soon or before I leave) and I would really like to wait for those due to the efficiency increase. As for the processor, AMD is apparently coming out with 14nm cpus 2016 (unclear when). intels kaby lake wont come out until early 2017 and its 14nm anyways so it doesn't seem reasonable to wait for that. Should I wait for AMD to release their processor or just get skylake here soon? Any other Possible suggestions would be cool as well!
It is pretty hard to compare parts that aren't out yet and I will have to say if you can't wait go with a Intel cpu and wait for the newest gpu because that more than anything will produce more heat so the newer modle Nvdia and AMD should have lower heat.
skylake will be a significant reduction in heat. but your gpu is doing it more so then your cpu. do your really want to replace both? also getting a nice cpu cooler and some case fans will help. a 212 evo and a noctua 4 pack is cost effective, quiet, and effective.
I'm currently using a closed loop cpu cooler and I have 3 intake and 3 exhaust fans, but after some gaming my room gets hot with the heater only running at 58 lol. I think I do want to replace both, when the new Nvidia and AMD cards come out my cpu will start bottle-necking even more than it does already in lots of games, plus ddr4 runs at a lower voltage as well
alright but if you want lower heat and power then you cant overclock and it dont get maximum performance. you'll see a bump but it wont be huge.
If you want power efficiency go with the broadwell i7.
Actually considerably more power efficient than skylake, which is about the same as the haswell refresh actually.
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how does broadwell compare to haswell and skylake performance wise in games? I honestly didn't even know they had broadwell desktop chips lol
About the same, though broadwell has lower clockspeed it has higher IPC if you run it with dedicated graphics.
128mb L4 cache yo.
I'm in this boat too, my concern though is windows 7 support. I have been waiting for zen like others, but with all the rumors about how only windows 10 will only be supported from here out (which makes no sense as Win7 still has 50%+ desktop market share last I checked) should I just go ahead and go skylake now and buy a cheap graphics card until polaris/pascal
I wouldn't upgrade either since they aren't too badly outdated parts unless you really need the performance and you need it now. As for the heat you could invest in some better cooling solutions for them both. Get a closed loop cooler for each and use something like a NZXT Kraken G10 on the GPU assuming its compatible with your card.
Imma just point out here that skyline will probably be the last major performance jump.. The subsequently smaller nodes will only improve efficiency.. Intel has really started to creep up close to the limit of diminished returns with the 14 nm node.. 10 may offer some better performance but if anything 7 is the limit and it's only going to improve efficiency
wouldn't a better cooler just disperse the heat better for my hardware, but it just ends up in the room anyways?
if you're having heating issues right now then yeah you probably should. I think its safe to go skylake now and wait for polaris/pascal. Doesn't seem like anything groundbreaking is coming out for processors anytime soon, but GPUs are going to get a good jump this year
Good point, on cpubenchmark.net the Broadwell i7-5775C out perform the Skylake flak ship at a Lower TDP, this CPU has excellent performance per watt,
Plus you could use your DDR3 from your existing system, just make sure you get a motherboard with Broadwell support like the ASUS Z97-AR
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-5775C+%40+3.30GHz
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-6700K+%40+4.00GHz
And i would wait for nvidia pascal, the drop to 16nm should make a difference, a Specially if we get HBM at Launch.
Yep it would
Im curious as to how broadwell performs better than skylake. does it have a higher ipc than skylake?
I would probably build a new computer after the move. When I know what the new place really is about etc.
The Broadwell CPUs with the big eDRAM cache are nice CPUs. They are very expensive here though.
It is that big eDRAM L4 cache that the high end Broadwells have. 128MB of cache can make a notable difference in games.
The gaming plot tells a similar story, but here, the 6700K is in the running for the fastest gaming CPU on the planet—and it would've won, too, if it weren't for the pesky Broadwell 5775C and its magic L4 cache. The 6700K improves on the 4790K by a tad, but the 5775C upstages it with a freakish string of gaming performance wins, even though its prevailing clock speed is ~500MHz lower.
I would be a bit conflicted in buying a board for a Broadwell though, the Z170 boards are a fair bit nicer than the older ones. But if I already had a Haswell motherboard that supports Broadwell, it would be easy. The Tech Report article is well worth a read.
so even when I'm using a dedicated gpu, the broadwell i5 and i7 use the 128mb of cache?
Pretty much, that is my understanding anyway. The eDRAM is VRAM for the iGPU. But if you don't use it then the CPU can use it as cache. If you want to build a Broadwell computer though, make sure the motherboard supports the CPU you want. I have a socket 1150 board that could support Broadwell, but the maker hasn't updated the UEFI with any support so far. Not holding my breath on that.
I don't recall mentioning heat issues? My question was about future windows 7 support