Ryzen 3600(x), Radeon 5700, 1440 Budget Build! | Level One Techs

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3:17: Correction: The bundled cooler is all ALUMINUM (not copper), there is another version of that cooler that has a copper slug in the middle, which was with 2nd gen ryzen, was what I was trying to convey there. :D Start Your Build! Ryzen 3600 - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B07STGGQ18/?tag=level1techs-20 Ryzen 3600X - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SQBFN2D/?tag=level1techs-20 Radeon RX 5700 - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TFRMJXH/?tag=level1techs-20 GIGABYTE B450 AORUS PRO WIFI - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GPDJ9R6/?tag=level1techs-20 ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming-ITX - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B073BFTJQK/?tag=level1techs-20 TEAMGROUP GX2 256GB SSD - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NRMXWHW/?tag=level1techs-20 SeaSonic 520W M12II 80 PLUS Bronze - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KRFPA7Q/?tag=level1techs-20 FSP 300W SFX12V 80 PLUS Bronze - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004VF4R4U/?tag=level1techs-20

This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://level1techs.com/video/ryzen-3600x-radeon-5700-1440-budget-build
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Some people are confused by the Vcore “Normal” setting because Vcore behavior is different across different vendors. What would be the equivalent of “Normal” on Asus? Asrock? MSI?

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So, i’m not sure on what the video was trying to tell me in terms of which CPU to get. Since this is basically my upgrade plan, was the conclusion that the 3600 is good enough, or that the 40 bucks extra for the 3600X is well spend?
Would upgrading to a 3700X and sacrificing 16G of Memory and storage be worth it? This AMD Lineup is really confusing the heck out of me. Even the 2700X is within the same ballpark trading IPC for 4 threads.

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Im going to be waiting and hoping a 3700 (non x ) gets released.

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Maybe, but then it’s even more confusing. We’d have 4 Cpu’s each 50 bucks or so apart. I don’t even have a clue if 4 additional threads would do anything for me. Like, i game and do stuff at the same time. Since i only have 4 threads atm, determining beforehand if 12 or 16 threads would make a difference is impossible.
And if you think 8 cores are “needed”, wouldn’t the 2700(X) be the better option for a “budget” build? You’d be saving 100 bucks.
Add to that, that any 3rd Gen Ryzen limits me to MSI because of the Flashback functionality, it gets really confusing.

What ever, i’ll be dreading over this for 2 more weeks and then buy what ever i feel like. The 3700X is probably out of range, so something between 3600(X) or 2700(X) it will be.

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As I said on Youtube, pls do not recommend the Seasonic S12II-Bronze no more.
Even if you have to recommend Seasonic, at least recommend the 450W Focus, as its far better. Maybe even the Sucessor, S12-III (made by RSY AFAIK)

The S12II-Bronze is a 10 year old, group regulated design with pretty bad voltage regulation and a really bad Supervisior (HY-510N) that doesn’t support UVP on 12V, OCP on any rail and it, as far as I know, also doesn’t come with OTP either…

For the same amount of money (or less), a Corsair CX450m (CX450 only has one PCIe) or be quiet System Power 9 or U9 400 or 500W (depending on region/availability) would be far better
Something like FX8350 vs. Ryzen 2700x better…

Here some Links:


^Original Seasonic, 350W Version, died on 3,3V Overload test. Hardly keeps up with the Xilence, that was half the price at the time.


^ XFX XT 500W (zweite Revision) is the Seasonic S12II-Bronze part…
Well, the results aren’t great:

[quote]565 W (Abschaltung bedingt durch UVP mit
8,7 V auf der 12-Volt-, 3,3 V auf der 5-Volt- und 2,6 V auf der 3,3-Volt-Schiene)[/quote]

Translated:
Overload, 565W, switches off due to UVP with:
8,7V on 12V
3,3V on 5V
2,6V on 3,3V

Those are the most recent reviews of a Seasonic S12II-Bronze unit that I know of…

Yes, I know that its not an original Seasonic unit, normally I would also argue that point. However, Seasonic is known to not do changes on customer demand or only after some resistance.

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Mh not sure what to make of this. TBH I really don’t like the NVMe recommendation, especially in low-budget builds. I can see that you like it just crazy fast, but realistically in gaming scenarios you won’t notice a difference between a good SATA SSD and a mid-range or even high-end NVMe.

The thing you notice the most is the responsiveness by having basically no latency, but that diminishes fast when you go from SATA SSD to NVMe SSD. And especially in a low-budget build you won’t be able to use the NVMe bandwidth anyway.

NVMe hardly makes sense even in a lot of “high-end” builds, nevermind budget builds… the price premium is way better spent towards a better GPU.

The difference between a 5700 and a 5700 XT is what… 100$ I think? Take the 3600 instead of the 3600X and a SATA SSD instead of an NVMe, and you can basically afford the XT…

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Think the price there was essentially the same as the sata option. Up to 1TB, you can get a faster nvme drive at the same price or even cheaper than a 2.5" sata drive sometimes (look at the intel 660p).

Agree with you on the 3600, even for the non budget minded out there it doesn’t seem to make much sense to spend much more for a gaming build. The value there is just insane but it will diminish very quickly when you start moving up the sku’s, when it comes to gaming workloads.

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I can’t see any reason for the 3600X to exist except for fools who want to waste money. If you look at performance the 3600 seems to provide the most per dollar of any of the AMD lineup currently.

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Could’ve done without that first sentence.

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Binned Chips for better (automatic) overclocking.
If that’s worth or not is a decision everyone has to make on their own.

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Basically, I see the ‘X’ Ryzen CPU variants as the chips that got preselected to win the silicon lottery by AMD. Am I having to pay for AMD doing the work for me, sure. Beats having to do the work myself, especially since i only run Linux and don’t have access to the Ryzen Master software.

To me, the X series is so for the people who don’t want to spend the time to OC but are willing to pay for more for OC performance.