i read the artical from "fx not dead" and i wonder if this will be 12 cores and have bigger L2 and L3 cache ? i like to see 15mb cache on both L2 and L3
Nobody knows. The last I heard was that AMD was working on a new architecture and that's about it.
EDIT: Nobody knows, who don't have inside contacts willing to risk losing their jobs due to NDA.
I know, I had a thread on this, I know 7 people at AMD, he asked if I could delete the thread so I did. FX release in 2015(can't tell you which quarter). This year they'll be a refresh of FX piledrivers, so more models. I can't tell you much else as one source does read these forums. Jim keller believe AMD will catch up in core performance in 2015, or latest 2016. I can guarantee you that the new FX cpu's are going to use solder instead of thermal paste so this is good news. Nothing new in the short term, their plan is for more price cuts on the current FX cpu's to remain competitive. They are still committed to high thread count cpu's. Hope this answers your question.
I think it is far more likely to see a different approach on FX processors.. In other words, we will see an FX line of next generation APUs. This has been AMD's focus for a long time now-- and I wouldn't be surprised to see bigger core and larger core count APU's with an FX badge, rather than a CPU in some successor to AM3+.
Generalolz, everything you have stated is merely speculation on your part and the part of AMD emloyees. There is no evidence of anything huge on the horrizon in terms on big core x86, the focus at AMD seems to have shifted. APUs, AMD Skybridge, ect
all good answers. thank you all. some new fx processors i believe will have a new socket.
No body knows, thats the one and only correct ansewr to this question.
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Ah no, their top level exec's. Jim keller is one person I contacted. AMD will continue to work on pure cpu's for the near future, they will transition fully to it in the future though, ie ~2017-2018.
Can you speculate on when the price cuts will take place? I am going to buy an AMD rig, and I wonder if I should wait some more (I'm fine with a few months wait), as I don't particularly need the upgrade over what I am using right now.
Refreshes on current gen, perhaps, but I dont think we will see even an Excavator core on an FX processor as we know it. However, if that DO make a "pure cpu" it will probably be based on the Excavator core...and it will probably be the last of the big core cpus from AMD.
Remember, this isn't a bad thing--- APUs are the future--- even Intel is focusing on graphics in Broadwell. We can see significantly faster CPU cores on an APU, and have AMD graphics to boot. I think thats where we will see FX grow.
(This is all guesses).
I believe AMD will upscale their jaguar cores to replace the bulldozer-family.
Then ARM will replace what used to be jaguars market.
CMT (Cluster core, what AMD calls modules), simply cannot function well enough without been coded for directly.
Excavator might be introduce to the FX line as the last CMT architecture from AMD.
Also, to add weight to the discussion of APU FX's, AMD is about to release Kaveri based FX laptop chips in the very near future....I dontt hink it's a stretch to say that same concept will come to Desktop with Excavator.
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014050801_Details_of_mobile_Kaveri_processor_leaked.html
Probably after Intel's big releases at Computex in June, that's my guess. Devil's Canyon will probably still be an expensive chip, but there will probably be many lower priced Haswell chips that still has better performance than AMD's FX line. AMD will have to do some price cuts.
In the long term (2018-20) I can see HSA an FX APU as a performance and enthusiast component... until then my guess is piledriver refresh this year with better performance per watt... and who knows what will be happening in the 2015, just hope is AM3+ compatible at least, with the obvious new chisets and all the stuff...
What do you mean by big core, high performance cpu's? AMD committed to them, theirs more coming up, the future won't be from the bulldozer family, Exec told me AMD planning a comeback in the high end, and this was possible because Jim keller and his team. If they stick to their current plans 2015 is not the comeback, 2016 is.
What i am saying is CPUs are dead. They are moving to APUs. And certainly they CAN and will try to make a comeback on the high-end, but it will be with APUs. Its not that big of a deal really, Haswell is, by definition, an APU.
AMD can't afford to have two different platforms. The 990FX AM3+ series chipsets are essentially 7-series chips with new features duct-taped to them. Bulldozer is the end of the CPU market for AMD. The FX processors of the future will be APUs, and probably on the same platform as the mainstream APUs and the ARM processors. They are talking ambidexterity, and it is coming.
Yeah, I actually think we will see the HSA APU mature into a very competitive architecture. The next iteration of graphics core next, combined with lithography advances and architecture simplifications for the CPU cores, is going to allow the HSA architecture and application supported platform to fully mature. I have heard talk that AMD is trying to sell Sony and Microsoft on utilizing Mantle for their custom APUs. AMD representatives have also come out to say the the Sony APU is fully HSA compliant; however, they backtracked on this statement without completely denying it (their role as a OEM for two competing gaming systems mean they must remain impartial).
It is my hope that Microsoft and/or at least Sony implement Mantle as well full HSA compliance for their game development APIs. If this does happen, console specific titles will be able to be ported to AMD's HSA APU PCs with Mantle and HSA optimization baked in. I believe this will be a boon for end users and eventually provide console-like and better performance for a fraction of the amount that same performance costs now.
I still think in the high performance end of the market we will see serial processing CPUs and dedicated graphics cards dominate.
Cpu's are not dead, atleast for the near future.
Pretty sure you saw my thread, if you did you already know the answer.
well I do see dedicated gpu's performance dominant in the near/middle/far future, but... the cpu will eventually become an apu, because the integrated gpu might do a lot of computation faster than the cpu (especially floating point).
My crazy idea is that in the near future AMD will release an apu with modular architechture but without fpu itself, relying al the fp32 and fp64 computation directly on the gpu cores.... don't even know if that can be done, but it would be cool