Browsing the AMD subreddit and someone found this in the support ticket system. Listings for 460, 470, 480 and 490. While this of course doesn't really tell us much about any of the cards we can see that the 490 is an 8GB card. We can also see that 460 will have either 2 or 4 GB of VRAM and 470 will be available in 4 and 8GB flavors both with available Nitro coolers.
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Is AMD really wasting all that effort put on HBM and still going with GDDR5 on the RX 490? They should have implemented HBM2 for the Vega lineup, great, so the RX 490 is just gonna be an R9 390 on steroids (more performance obviously), may still have a power/heat problem.
That said, I want the RX 470 and RX 460 to be released already. They couldn't come out soon enough. I hope AMD knows what they are doing with Vega, unless they plan on getting creamed by Pascal.
we dont know if the RX 490 will be gddr5 or hbm it might be just a place holder on the website
I hope so, but I figured that Sapphire is pretty close with AMD so that they might know something we don't about the RX 490.
There's difficulties in manufacturing the required amount of HBM right now. They wouldn't be able to meet demand.
Oh, well, in that case, AMD loses their trump card against NVidia cause by the time AMD has any HBM, NVidia will likely have it too. And considering that AMD isn't doing so hot...yeah...
The problems with supply of HBM plague nvidia too, and with the RX 480 AMD is in a prime condition to take over the desktop market place in the coming years. So many of the problems with AMD cards have been fixed at this point.
Their drivers are actually good now. On both windows and Linux. Their open source driver actually plays games. That's insane thinking about the state of their drivers even just three months ago.
The RX 480 gets nearly the same performance as a 970 for $100 less and that is the most popular GPU out right now. Putting them in the prime space to handle any game at 1080p while still being cheaper than the competition.
And then they have an open source graphics suite instead of a closed source compared to nvidia.
Nvidia cards just don't last as long either. Look at a 780ti to compared to to an r9 290x now. Nvidia's performance over time is crap, AMD cards just keep chugging. Then you can look at the 1080 compared to a 980ti, and the only real benefit is the software works better on a 1080, and if the game doesn't use or need that the 980ti is just as good. The life span of nvidia cards just sucks.
I really wouldn't recommend nvidia unless you just had to play above 1440p. Otherwise AMD is just so economical and so good now.
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The 490 will most likely be a dual RX 480 card if it's polaris, as it seems that Polaris 10 was as big as it gets, unless it is just a 480 with G5X
490 will not have hbm, and will have 256bit memory bus
(if it was listed as dual, it would be 512bit bus)
here is more pictures or details from 480 nitro
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/detail/index/sArticle/61887
Yeah, NVidia has dropped the ball a lot lately, that was mostly due to their own greed. I am just saying that if AMD wants to compete with NVidia in sales and whatnot, they are gonna have to do something impressive once in a while.
Why would they out HBM2 on this card. It is expensive and in short supply and at this performance level not necessary. The 1070 does just fine without HBM and so will 490. There are two Vega chips 11 and 10. Very likely small Vega (490) won't have HBM and that is a good decision. That means the card can be made cheaper.
I also have no clue where you get 390 on steroids. What because they both have 8GB of GDDR5? Honestly that makes no sense. We really don't know what it is. It could be Vega based. It could be super Polaris or it could be two 480s on one die. We really dont know. But I can tell you it won't be anything relating to 390/290 or Hawaii at all.
I don't know about that. I'd say it is a safe guess but only 8GB of VRAM seems too small. I'd think they'd go with 8 and 8 for it but I could be wrong.
I don't see it as being 480 with GDDR5X. That would be dumb. Would do nothing but increase the price for no performance gain as 480 isn't bandwidth limited
I am just assuming that the TDP and Heat issues may resurface, but then again, they are designed differently, so hopefully AMD finds a way to not make it an issue. My MSI R9 390 runs at 85 C for example, hopefully in a few years this won't be a huge issue.
I agree with that. The first Nvidia card I bought was the Geforce 2. The last I bought was a 5500 FX? or something like that I don't even remember. It lasted about 1.3 years and then started showing Artifacts on the screen. I kept it clean didn't move my case around it just crapped out. I still have a ATI 9600xt. The AGP back in they day cards that still runs like a dream. Fan died and I had to McGyver a fan on it but still runs. I have never bought a Nvidia card since. =)
I'll use my 270X as a proof...
On release:
Last week...
From 12% slower it got 10% faster than 760... Well...
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This makes me very happy that i chose a 270x over a 750ti for my first rig
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I just picked up a 290 for $200, was too impatient for the 480, but it doesn't look like it'll be too bad overall
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Looks like you got 470 with 4GB Vram and double the power consumption :D
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I can always undervolt it a bit, also it's only a little bit slower than the 480, at least for now, I might just return it to newegg in 2 weeks or something when more 480s come out
I find this discouraging to buy an NVidia GPU, cause I don't know how long the GPU keeps, the GTX 780 get's knocked down form being near an R9 290 to being below a GTX 960 in some cases and in other cases barely edging out against an R9 280?