Polaris Woes? (Or not?)

Not to jump to conclusions about how good/bad Polaris actually is or to be too pessimistic, but according to these specs, AMD is releasing three cards soon, the RX 480, 470 and 460, now,
- RX 480 was targeted for VR gaming and 1440p gaming, okay, that's realistic and makes good sense, though they could also target 1080p 144 Hz with that card too.
- RX 470 was supposed to be targeted for 1080p gaming, that's also realistic and makes good sense.

Already, we have a problem, where the RX 460 targets:
- RX 460 being for MOBAs/ESports

First off, that's extremely vague, not really a good idea of how much power is really needed at all. Imagine saying a GPU is ready for FPS games, like you can really compare TF2 (which runs fine on Intel HD 4400) and something like Battlefield 1 (making up examples). If they refer to less demanding titles of that genre, those less demanding games should be a non-issue for newer integrated graphics, so the RX 460 is already extreme for that.

That's not my main complaint though about the GPUs so far, so far, my complaint is the same as my complaints about the GTX 980 and the 970 cutdown and GTX 960 and GTX 950 cutdown, AMD's RX 460 is MASSIVELY cut down from the RX 470, less than half the performance AMD claims. That was a huge disappointment for anyone with such a tight budget and kills the purpose of getting an RX 460 AT ALL unless saving up that extra $50 is that hard.

For the lower VRAM models, the RX 480 costs $200 and the RX 470 costs $150, the RX 480 tiering a GTX 980/Fury Nano sounded very impressive right? It did, until the RX 470 was said to be near the R9 390's performance, which doesn't put it very far behind for $50 cheaper, so whether the $50 is worth it or not is up to you. BUTT, the RX 460 is also $50 cheaper, you think that the GPU would compare to like an R9 380 based on the other comparisons or even go near it, right? NOPE, it compares to an R7 270X, which isn't a substantial boost like the higher end cards, the higher end cards go up TWO TIERS, and this one only goes up ONE? Now, let's be clear on this, AMD's reasoning for this I ASSUME for cutting down the RX 470 is that they were trying SO HARD to archive low power consumption that they disregarded the performance, which essentially kills off it's appeal and value for almost any purpose other than making really small computers (we are talking like those barebone PCs level of small, cause ITX is do-able with any of the Polaris GPUs.

What's worse is that if we compare the same VRAM GPUs (4 GB RX 470 to 4 GB RX 460), the price difference is only $20, it's the same situation as NVidia's 950 and 960 but worse.

http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-470-crossfire-3dmark-11-benchmarks/

Conclusion: The RX 460 is NOT worth it if all of this comes to reality. Save $50 and get an RX 470, that MAYBE the best Price/Performer Polaris has to offer. The RX 460 isn't worth it, unless you plan to crossfire it with a Zen APU.

Ok, so I get what you are going at here. It makes slot of sense, especially in the US market. I can't speak much for the foreign markets where prices are different.

In all honesty I've seen this mindset before, and it's logical to someone who can actually get the extra 50 or so for the next level up. Some people simply can't, or they don't need that 1440p performance. Maybe they want the lesser power draws or simply need a cheap card for the sons first gaming PC.

This happened back in the day with the 700 series from nvidia. There was the 750, the 750 tits edition and the 760. Each had a good bit more performance then the one prior, but each had its place. My little brother, for example, simply has no way to get the extra 50 for the 760, so he got the 750 tits edition.

I do get what you are saying though. It would be weird for the performance to be that close, it might be further than that. We just have to wait for the nda to lift I guess.

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Immediately wrong... 460 is expected under $100, and the MSRP of the 470 is $150.
If i am anywhere near the truth, 460 will stay under 100 and 470 will go near 200, while 480 may jump 250 upwards for the board partner cards. So we are talking almost half the price here, not just 50$...
460 for under 100$ being more powerful than 370 or around the levels of 950 is not really not worth it card.
Also, god damn man, you are really talking about less than 100 dollar card being crap? Seriously?

I hope your right about the GPU dipping below $100, would make my complaints nearly a non issue. But the card's performance is cut so low, there is a lot of room in between the RX 460 and RX 470,
RX 470 > CF RX 460, why is the gap so stupidly huge is what I am asking?

But I don't think there is much sense in worrying considering that AMD won the low budget market already. We can see NVidia is less than willing to target those GPUs cause they want money badly. The RX 470 sounds like an amazing card at least so Polaris is far from out.

Not really... 470 is about 290 performance, and 460 is expected around 280X performance...
As said in the Tek Rumors topic, above 960 under 380X, so basically 280x/7970 level performance?

They won the same way Nvidia won the High end...
I only hope for fair representation, not really believe there will be, but whatever. Pricing is so good, there is no reason for complaining.

The 460 will not be under $100. The 480 will hit $300+

Expect the 460 to come in between a GTX 950 and a 960. Probably closer to the latter. Which is very good considering it is a sub 75W card. All for around $110 for reference.

No matter how good the hardware is I still worry about cripple works

If I was nvidia I would be getting in tight with occulus / fb etc and paying them obscene amounts of money to build cippleworks vr into their software.

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Gimpworks have a couple of features, but otherwise, it's a cancer to PC gaming. It really left me with a sour taste for NVidia, I would be a lot more excited about the GTX 1080 amd 1070's amazing performance if they hadn't pulled the shit they did.

A game like league of legends can get 400 FPS on something as old as a 9800 GT. Thats an 8 year old card. The idea is that you don't need much power.

That's just it, an RX 460 would be great for new comers that don't care much for GPUs, I understand, I started with Integrated Graphics though, and for almost every game I have, the game was somewhat playable and that's an even lower power solution than this GPU (although performance/watt is an entirely different story).

I started my current PC on a 250X and I was still playing GTA5. Theres no worries here :P