Look at all those Intel processors and xpoint SSDs they recommend you buy, 1000000% shill, cant have an opinion if you ever work for a company.
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I’m afraid your imagination is getting the better of you. Could you clarify what making arguments (irrespective of whether they convince you, that’s all that he did, here) has to do with “starting an internet mob and etc. [for which you, as a person who makes an argument, is of course wholly responsible, at that]”?
The issue isn’t whether it’s fair or unfair to have “more devices than others”, the question is why Intel would give them 4 of the things when they give other, much bigger review sites only 1 or 2, and that their review and their “white paper” sync up rather neatly when it comes to the conclusions reached, which is problematic [esp. in light of other sites’ experiences with that same tech, with which it doesn’t quite match up].
They did a white paper on a product and needed the full sample to do that paper so they could accurately create that paper. Why would they omit that data they worked on for the white paper from their review?
White papers dont lie, because if you do that no one will trust your white papers, you just point out the strengths and market that product to the segment that needs those features…
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https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/546/1/
"What is a White Paper?
Originally, the term white paper was used as shorthand to refer to an official government report, indicating that the document is authoritative and informative in nature. Writers typically use this genre when they argue a specific position or propose a solution to a problem, addressing the audience outside of their organization. Today, white papers have become popular marketing tools for corporations especially on the Internet since many potential customers search for information on the Web. Corporations use white papers to sell information or new products as solutions that would serve their customers’ needs.
The Purpose of a White Paper
Typically, the purpose of a white paper is to advocate that a certain position is the best way to go or that a certain solution is best for a particular problem. When it is used for commercial purposes, it could influence the decision-making processes of current and prospective customers."
Its not lies that are used to make a product look good, not sure what doing a white paper has to do with being biased.
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Did PCP mention that the author of the review is the same person as that of the whitepaper?
That is the key point, I’m not that interested in Optane, so I didn’t read the review yet, but unless there already was something to the tune of, “I ran these tests as part of a white paper for our research division, Shrout Research” I can understand the outrage.
It might not be illegal, but then neither is not cancelling your automated share sell off as Intel CEO when you hear about Meltdown.
Why do they need to mention or link to the white paper, they are the authors of that paper and are not citing someone else’s work. They might have ran more tests they they did before but this product was designed for a different use case than most storage.
If they were a reseller of xpoint or something and they made the white paper to use on their customers sure maybe, but it was a comissioned paper and they reviewed and evaluated the product and then made a paper intel could use to maket toward what they though the correct target would be after evaluating intels claims.
If they want others to trust them and their reviews.
To most people, doing this sort of thing is very shady and dissolves trust like limestone in acid.
Where did I use the word lies? You’re engaging with a straw man. Yes, “white paper” means PR, for which one is paid. Question is, what does that mean for their review, which also reads like a glowing recommendation of a product with no real drawbacks, and which doesn’t mention that their research time was paid for by Intel?
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Intel-Optane-SSD-900P-480GB-and-280GB-NVMe-HHHL-SSD-Review-Lots-3D-XPoint/Performa-2
"The Samsung 960 PRO is able to best the SSD 900P’s in straight line sequential reads, but the same can not be said for the 960 EVO"
Opened page saw a negative not really that hard to read things.
That matters why? None of the other outlets paid for their drives so… They got paid as well, its just PCPer does the most indepth reviews on storage of any site not to surprising they were asked to do a white paper. Its not like intel paid them to write they way the do on their site review and nor is it a copy/paste job.
Maybe to sheep who dont understand business, PCPer has been in the tech review site for longer than any of the other TechToubers that they are compared to, if the others had similar reviews or had the exp they might be hired to do similar work as well.
Well Wendell made no attempt to hide that he was talking to AMD about IOMMU groups, nor that he travelled to an AMD campus.
@mutation666 Disclosure is what matters most here.
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Disclosure that they did the research… Its not like they profit from the white paper in any way other than what they got paid for it. They were paid to do a review and create a white paper to focus the customers that the product would be good for or a general review of the product. Why would they need to disclose that they did a white paper its not like they get a cut from every sale because of the white paper. There is no incentive to lie about the product and they show its strengths and weaknesses in their review they posted.
I am sure one of the reasons they were selected was their exp in the review of products as well as being one of the most well established review sites for storage reviews.
Because journalists have to be independent.
If your side business relies heavily on the relationship to the company that is making the products that you claim to review objectively, you are not independent.
Disclosed or not, that is a conflict of interest.
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How are they not independent? They werent paid to make a paper that was full of lies to sell a product they were asked to make a white paper, yes those are designed to sell products usually, but you dont lie in them so its not a big deal.
You separate businesses for many reasons, perhaps he doesnt have everyone on the PCPer staff involved in the 2nd company. Also you dont use a consumer review site to create a white paper, while that EXP is good it still looks better coming from a company that focuses on that side of things.
Elon ownes Tesla and SpaceX yet those companies are separate as they do different things just like PCPer and ShroutReasearch server different markets.
Bottom line he didnt attempt to even reach out for comment just slammed them on what he though was going on and rallied his troops. Any real journalist says we reached out to XXXX for comment etc.
Funny how this entire thing is about being a good journalist but he only did a one side bash piece.
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Ryan and Allyn got payed by Intel to do a thing on Optane to make it look good.
Ryan and Allyn then turned around and wrote a review as independent journalists.
Which they aren’t anymore at that point.
I can’t help you if you don’t want to see it.
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They were paid to do a review, they werent paid to lie about a product. The review is still independent, they might have used data from the white paper but that doesnt make it biased. They benefit in no way from sales of the product and thus there is no reason to lie on the product review. They point out both pros and cons in their review, they accurately make it out to be what it is based upon their extensive testing. They describe who / what the product is for and it was the first innovation in the SSD market since NVME became a thing.
If you can see how someone can be hired for a review and report on that product as well on their other business than, dont trust them. You dont have to trust anyone thats why you dont take one sites review as the end all be all. Thats like saying you should only believe CNN/FOX/MSNBC and not use multiple sources to form your own opinion.
I personally have faith in PCPer to not color their reviews any more or less than any other organization. No one can be truly unbiased on any topic imo.
If their reviews was untrue point out the sections that are, but you are saying because they got paid to do a separate thing on the same topic they cant be trusted please point out where they over exaggerate / lie about the product.
That isn’t the point. You seem to not understand the meaning of the word independent.
Look, there is a reason why WAN Show has sponsors that make food or clothing products and so on. That way they can talk freely about tech companies. Same goes for the PCPer podcast with casper mattresses. That way they are independent. And that is how it should be.
The problem isn’t that PCPer and Shrout Research are different companies, the problem is that they are the same people. You can not be independent if you are also being paid. That is just a fact of journalism.
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Again if you think they are so bribe able so be it. Tons of tech channels etc are sponsored by tech related companies, doesn’t mean they are biased. How many videos on GamersNexus/Paul/Kyle/LTT are sponsored by companies like cooler master etc doesnt mean they can no longer talk unbiased about these companies.
LTT WAN Show example of Asus sponsor
They will take who ever will give they money for the spot. The current ones just happen to be food clothing etc. (To find this i literally clicked a random old video as the more recent ones have been food/etc)
By that logic all msi products reviewed by L1 are shill videos
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OMG your correct, I gotta start posting shit on twitter now /s
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