New to PC World, Heres the build. Thoughts?

i would like to find ways to save money on the build, open to ideas.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PcWs23

Number one for money saving would be get a way cheaper gpu. The performance difference from a 400$ gpu vs a 650$ one isn't going to scale at all.

Also , spend more on the power supply. A 65$ 650w evga power supply is just money down the drain and just on the edge of wattage requirements. A 980 ti is capable of pulling 430 watts at times leaving the cpu and everything else maybe 100w left after the efficiency is taken into account.

Also , it's a 2000$ build with only 8 gb of ram. Again , spend less on the gpu and get at least 12-16

You can get rid of the extra cpu cooler and just use the one the cpu comes with , I'm pretty sure 4ghz will be plenty no REAL need to overclock so stock is fine

Well you could maybe start here, the build includes a 4k IPS free-sync display, it needs a bit of optimization on the PSU and GPU though

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xrNVNG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xrNVNG/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($314.99 @ Directron)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus H170M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($103.75 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.90 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 390 8GB SOC Video Card ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT BF ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill HIVE 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($75.53 @ Amazon)
Monitor: LG 27MU67 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($569.71 @ Newegg)
Total: $1552.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-03 21:05 EST-0500

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Also why the 980ti with the presumably 60hz 1080p display?

I assume the same reason why people put spoilers on fwd cars

Quick build - http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gtHg6h - i7, 980ti, bigger ssd, 27" 1440p ips monitor, mechanical kb

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the reason why is so when i decide to upgrade to 4k i can just buy a new monitor instead of going cheaper on the graphics card and biting myself in the ass later. i want a future proof build to at least last 4 years minimum

I don't mean to piss on your parade but there was some problems with is which I'll list numerically for your convenience. As well as some helpful notes to consider. I'm going to start from big to small and also go back on touch on points like optimization.

  1. To put it simply It's pretty overpowered for a first computer. The 980TI is an extremely powerful (and even more expensive) graphics card. It's designed for running intensive gaming application like 2k+ and 120fps+. While true you need much more GPU than CPU I'd say that is too much GPU for a first time build. I'll touch on other system parts in comparison to it as well as diminishing return later

  2. 6th gen sky lake and DDR4 RAM- Skylake: Now there isn't anything wrong with either of those choices but in a way they are also a bit in excess (or insufficiency in the case of the ram). Now don't get me wrong Skylake and good processors but the performance gain for a beginner. You'd be just as fine with a Devil's Canyon 4790K or even a 4690K. Both of these processors are still fairly beefy and will get your gaming needs done, even if they aren't the shiny-est or newest overclockers.
    you probably could find one used here on tek syndicate forums Don't forget, most video games won't be allocating too much cpu horsepower to run.

2.5. DDR4: Alright here's the thing with the new DDR4 standard of RAM. It's faster, and lower power than DDR3. However It's much more expensive than DDR3 plus the return in performance the speed will give you will be negligible. System RAM is going to be most allocated by less game centered tasks like rendering, or running computational tasks like servers. DDR3 will serve your purposes fine. If you're really worried about future proofing your RAM get a 4 x 4GB sticks of 2133 DDR3 RAM. Technically for 1080p gaming you can get away with 2 x 4 GB 1600mhz, but I know you are planning to do a bit more than standard.

  1. What is diminishing returns? The easiest way to think about it is diminishing returns in a non linear graph. As one side increase It's ratio to the other variable get's more and more distant. Think of it like how NASA can't just strap more fuel onto a rocket because the weight x thrust ratio will decrease. This diminishing return is extremely prevalent in high power GPUs. Where the technology is right now to get the horsepower like the 980TI to drive things like 4k get's very costly in manufacture very fast. Unless you need the power you're better off getting a modest 200-300$ card. Tip: you likely can find a used 290x or similar strength card used here on tek synicate forums

  2. Theory on beginners: When I was younger my first pc that I built was like an early AM2 based board with a used radeon 4650. It was kind of a crapper but it was my crapper it cost very little. I played many hours of tf2 and CSS on that pc. I strongly recommend for your first pc to be very modest, don't worry about trying to build something facemelting for your first pc. Talk to some people here on Tek Syndicate, ask around for some deals on used parts, and build a high power 1080p rig.

my time to write this is running out, no doubt I have forgotten things, but if you have any questions just message me.

                                                                                           xoxo -Capn Fox

I would get an AMD 380 from like XFX or MSI as they are the cheapest and get a 750 watt PSU. I would also get another 4 gigs of ram unless you would need 16, but that's your choice mate.

Also that cooler is way too expensive. Get a 212 EVO or PLUS and you'll save a bunch and probably have a better cooler in comparison.

Also question: do you know how big a full ATX case even is? THey're massive! IMO they aren't worth grabbing unless you have a really big mobo or you need as many fans in there as possible (for some reason). Lok at the fractal design mid ATX tower cases and you'll find very posh and good cases that are worth the money. Most people here will say Phanteks or fractal, but I'm one to say don't use full ATX cases unless you absolutely need it.

Also you could probably go to a recycling place and pick up a good monitor for around 50-75 bucks. In my city that I buy parts from there is a place called Comprenew. They are connected to Digital Diggs, which is all over the US, and most of the prices are good for the item. Obviously if you get a second hand monitor, thoroughly test it. Will it ruin in-game frames, will it just flat out drop frames,is it cracked, screen bleeding. All that sort of stuff.

Lastly, do you need the newest intel setup possible. You could go with X99 and get some stupid fast stuff or take a few steps back and get a 4790k and be well off on that front. DO you need an i7? Could you get an i5? Stuff like that is important.

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You don't need to only have a 980 ti for 4k. Some cards can scale a few textures to 4k (like my 250x) and other cards can just do it (a 380/90 [at least I think the 380 can do 4k?] but the 390 is going to be doing a lot better at it). Just a thought there.

alot to take it there thanks for the input, im reviewing my build every day and taking as much advice as possible especially since im a first time builder.

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I'd recommend going with a different pair of headphones. They aren't bad but the spot between the headphones and the thing that goes over your head brakes easy. I can't remember what it is called. But besides that they are very good.

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Need to watch those headset killer vids by Tek Syndicate...

What do you need 2 TB for? It would be much simpler, especially on a first build, to not have a boot drive, and get a 500 GB SSD. The EVO is very reasonable. I'm never buying a disk drive again, unless maybe for movie storage?

Go ahead and max out two slots of RAM, otherwise if by chance you need a bunch of ram in the future (you become a developer or video guy or something) you'll just end up with two 4GB sticks (why even make those in DDR4?).

If you're just using this for gaming, get the 4790K, it's ridiculously fast for most things probably for a couple more years.

Also. unless you are building a video editing rig with 4 GPUs, go Micro-ATX. Those will allow for maximum RAM, plenty of SATA 6 ports, and 2 PCIe x16 3.0 slots if you ever wanted to do that, and save a ton of space.

Not sure about Skylake temps, but for a 4790k, go ahead with the huge cooler like a boss. Here's my build from earlier this year, not taking into account peripherals, which allows for expansion and is much more reasonably priced, though if you really want it you could get a better GPU. https://pcpartpicker.com/b/4jkTwP

Keep in mind that I am also a web developer, but Visual Studio (can be a hog) is basically running and doing everything I want instantaneously. If I had to do over I'd get a taller thinner case...

Lol. I hate to even recommend intel as I am an AMD user but I also use linux so the hardware is hardened for me x3 But yeah there is a lot to consider there.

Question: Ever thought about linux?

cant say i have, and ive heard more negative about amd as i have intel and nvidia.

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It's a matter of building to your use. I'm a linux user so AMD is going to do a lot more for me than intel and the AMD cards are just cheaper (I got a 250X new for 80 bucks on sale and it plays all of my games fine).

Ask some Q's in a few linux threads if you have any interest. If not, don't worry about it. My only thought is you could get windows 8 for way cheaper than 10 (10 is not worth it) and have linux be your system at some point. Or not buy windows and save more. Few thoughts, not for everyone though.

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If I didn't intend for my PC to also be a workstation with some multitasking, if it was just gaming and media, I'd have gone AMD processor. I did go ahead with the 290X for cost and an interest in promoting the market. Now with the Fury you actually could get some really new tech and promote it, without losing performance. I feel like helping the market competition is part of what this community is about.

Also, since we're assuming this is just for gaming, save money on the processor and spend it on the GPU like you want (and a proper SSD).

What games and software do you want to play/use?

The 980ti is a really good card for 4K and way overkill for 1080. The Fury is a good route if you want to go multi-monitor. If you want to upgarade to something a little less expensive like 1440p the 390 and 970 are both good cards depending on the game and software.

Going DDR4 with Skylake means you will have Ram that can be used on your next build. But Haswell will save you money now.

I love Linux as much as the next guy, but I don't recommend it just yet for you. Focus on building the machine for right now. If it interest you, dual boot it later.

I do agree just go with a 500GB SSD for right now it will make your life easier.

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Have to agree with capnFox.

i would recommend doing sum CPU research.
What are the pros and cons of both cpu's , and are you going to use the extra features / instructions of cpu X.
Future proofing your cpu or motherboard is in my opinion not possible ..
intel changes cpu sockets when ever they feel like it..

Also buying the top tier gpu is never a good idea.. Basically the same rule as the cpu...
i'm not a gamer , but i would checkout a couple of titles and what they need to run on a specific resolution.

Personally i will be building a nice Virtaulization rig later on next year..
Only thing i know is.
- i must have a silent case , fractal seems to be the one.
- CPU cooler , must be air and silent i love Noctua ..

  • more cores are better don't need powerful cores.. But i wil be using it as a daily driver so not to weak.

i have no problem with AMD , but i will be doing sum research about the cpu instructions and how it all runs on Fedora and Centos..

One thing i would go for and thats a good SSD. Good means warranty the Samsung pro is expensive but they back it with a warranty claim..
But that's just me , i run my virtual machines on a VM don't like to wait to long..
PowerSupply seems ok havent researched it ..but 80+ and fully modular sounds good..

But it looks like a top tier build not a mid level one hahaha..
Do love that "rebate" chit you guys have there in the US..
Here in EU we have ..the F you tax extra's hahahaha LOL no rebate no blackF day ..

PS $90 for windows ..?? dear god wow at the moment i'm running OSX and Fedora both free..
My build will be 100% Linux no need for Big brother windows..

Only problem with Linux is it depends on what games he wants to play. If he was to do Linux, and only gaming, could do Steam OS for free too. And for gaming more cores not faster is not the rule, unless something changed you just want 4 fast cores because that's all games will utilize, if that many. I do vastly prefer Windows 10 to 8.1, and technically they should cost the same cus 10 is free if you have 8.1... but then, privacy...

Agreed, I'm using atm 240+250GB SSD's which is perfect for these new games. Would get myself just one 500GB if I'd have to summon new PC out of nothing.

No HDD at all, and will never get one again. ^^

Really no HDD ?? where do you put your backups on ?? Also SSD ??
i like my backups on a HDD just to be save..

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