Need to create a baffle system for my water tank/trailer

I’ve gotten the silly idea to make a mini road train out of both our water trailer and my little 5x8 cargo trailer that is only about half full. This will give me access to an additional 330 gallons of reserve water when I’m trying to do the “van lifestyle” for a bit.

However I obviously don’t need, nor want that much extra weight when traveling, but I’m struggling to figure out an effective baffle system to make it safer to travel with a partially full tank. I only have about a 10 inch access hole at the top or whatever is the standard size for agricultural tanks.

Hit me with your crazy ideas my friends :grin:

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Just freeze the water when you want to travel, and then thaw it when you get where you are going… you did ask for crazy ideas!

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Some places, usually mountainous places do not allow 2 trailers behind your tow vehicle. And usually the first trailer is a fifth wheel followed by the tag along.

How big is the water trailer? Put both the tank and the small trailer on the big trailer. Remove the frame of the small trailer first.
Also, I’m pretty sure they make half size totes.

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Also, it looks like you don’t have brakes on either trailer! Don’t do this…

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I’m heading eastbound, but you’re not wrong either. Also I really like the idea you gave about stacking trailers, it’s a broader perspective like that which I really need sometimes.

The cargo trailer doesn’t have a full frame, so I would have to guess it at or under 1500lbs currently loaded. I’m not sure of the empty weight of the water trailer, but the tires are rated at a hair over one imperial ton each.

I wouldn’t want to do anything permanent because both trailers and my rig have permanent registration and cheaper insurance than most places.

You could cut up a bunch of PVC and feed the lengths in so once the tank is full of them they all keep each other upright and brace against the sides… cut on a diagonal to keep the bottom of the pipes from sealing against the bottom.

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How much dry ice do I need to keep it frozen for 1600miles? :wink:

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I would still love a baffle system for the tank regardless, it gets super sloshy when less than full. Thank you for the suggestion :slightly_smiling_face:

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Iirc, those totes are about 1000 liters, approximately 250 gallons. Water is 10lbs per imperial gallon. Half full is 1,250 lbs. 1250 plus 1500 equals 2750. Plus weight of trailer… With no brakes its getting very dicey.

I like the idea of the tubes. Feed them in while the tote is on its side. You should be able to stuff it right full. Not sure how many feet it would take and cost of tube. It could add up real quick.

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It clocks in at over 300 gallons and 1200 liters.

If I stacked them I would keep the tote empty until I can unload the cargo trailer

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Fill it with sponge

It’s about the only way you’ll be able to baffle it without removing the top of the tank and bolting/weldin/otherwise installing some walls/trap doors in the tank.

Not going to comment (too much) on the sanity of this thread however, personally I think carrying hundreds of gallons of water in a dedicated trailer is… silly. Unless you’re planning to be way off grid for a long time. But guessing you’ll be somewhere from time to time with power, fuel, food, etc. which will have water.

1200L of water is 1.2 tonnes (beauty of metric system!). never mind the other things you may be carrying with you either towed or inside the vehicle. Not sure what your GVM is but I certainly wouldn’t trust that much weight on that trailer. I very much doubt the tie downs to those rails will do much at all.

A 1600 mile trip… that’s what… 2500 km.

That’s 5 days travel or so (at a leisurely pace)? You only need say ~50L of drinking water for that, comfortably. 100L of water - would be more than plenty for 10 days (away from a water source), which is 100kg and easily carried in 5 cans (inside the covered trailer).

I reckon you’re wasting your time, fuel, safety margin, etc.

We call them “Baffle Balls” around here. Use them in fire-fighting trailers, water tankers, diesel tenders, all sorts of places.

Not really cheap, but available from lots of places with lots of different names and in various sizes.

Since you clip the halves together, you can even fit large balls through a smaller opening by squishing a half, sliding it through, then squishing another half, sliding that through, and clipping them together inside the tank.

The performance of baffle balls is best in square/rectangular tanks (e.g. IBC totes) because there isn’t a circular cross-section to easily rotate about (like in the cylindrical tank in the video above). Wedge the balls in nice and tight — lock them in place against the walls — and they do a great job.

You can’t partially fill a tank with baffle balls — they just float in the water. You need to fill the whole tank up regardless of the fluid level you intend to maintain.

If you want to seriously cut down on the cost, and eliminate the assembly process, buy rigid-walled poly balls at a dollar store, as large as will fit through the access hole, drill at least half-a-dozen holes in each, and use those.

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It would be non-potable water for showering, washing hands, and flushing the toilet. When you’re on the road it is easy to find a place to dump your tanks, but it can be fairly difficult to find a source of clean, non-mineral water. You also have to lightly bleach the water or it spoils in the tanks pretty quickly, both the fresh and wastes alike.

And I might not have made it obvious, but the water tank is obviously not secured well enough for a long trip. The current setup is just to get city water in town and bring it back, because the well produces “hard water”. Also the reserve tank would be for when I get to where I’m going, but haven’t landed anywhere permanent yet.

I mean, you guys were able to talk me out of a tandem setup pretty quickly. I was honestly looking for an excuse and I just needed a viable alternative, but my brain can’t function creatively right now while I’m deep in this estate nightmare at the moment.

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THIS is exactly what I’m looking for! I wonder if someone has kindly made a 3D printable version available, because it looks like I could print those halves on my X1C. I would need 30+ for over 1200L, but that seems doable on a faster printer running non-stop.

I found this, I could probably scale it up to fit the size of my opening

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If you are going to 3D print them yourself, then printing complete spheres might make more sense. Most 3D printer plastics are much less flexible than poly, I think, so squishing might result in cracking.

Measure the inside dimensions of your tank and work out a packing scheme that maximises ‘snugness’. If the inside of the tank is exactly 1000mm(w) x 1000mm(l) x 1200mm(h), for example, then balls exactly 200mm in outer diameter would probably fit through your hatch and could be packed in 6 layers, each with a 5x5 array of baffle balls. More balls in total (120), but no assembly, no chance of falling apart, and perfect packing.

[Edit: Actually, alternating 5x5 and 4x4 layers would work better. See comment further down.]

You don’t need specific “baffle ball” models, either. Sure, a bit of engineering can be used to optimise resistance to fluid flow, but you could literally take a model of a soccer ball, rip out one-third of the faces, and use that.

Since your use case is “domestic consumption” your extraction rate is likely to be quite low, so you don’t need baffle balls that offer maximal resistance to lateral flows (sloshing) and, at the same time, minimal resistance to vertical flows (draining). Any roughly spherical shape would do. Heck, it doesn’t even need to be spherical — as long as it packs well.

Finally, if your shape needs a little bit of internal scaffolding, then you can probably just leave it in place. Internal scaffolding will strengthen the walls of the balls, and offer a little bit extra resistance to flow — neither of which are a bad thing.

PS: Make sure that whatever material you plan to print with won’t break down in water and cause health issues.

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All excellent points, thank you my friend. I think my wheels are getting some traction on this one thanks to you all :blush:

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Doh! That packing example I gave above has a flaw. You don’t want spheres resting directly on top of each other as it creates linear voids (“channels”) that water can flow through unimpeded.

You want the balls in the layer above to rest in the voids created by the layer below. So the bottom layer would be 5x5, but the next would be 4x4, then 5x5, 4x4, 5x5… and so-on.

You don’t want to be able to see through the array you create — from any angle. If you can see through it, water can slosh through it.

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Awwww… Why can’t you poke a deflated space hopper in the fill hole, and use that as a baffle…

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I did some measuring today and it’s a good thing I did because the cargo trailer will just barely fit on the water trailer and I’m going to have to strap the empty water tank to the tongue of the cargo trailer :sweat_smile:

To quote the cat: “If it fits, it sits!”

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